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25 States Agree To Quadruple Number Of Heat Pumps In America::The US Climate Alliance met in New York City this week to explain the benefits of heat pumps, including better health for American families.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Direct electric heat is very efficient. Practically 100%.

My understanding is that you would only need the aux source during extreme cold. So very rarely.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right - in fact, from my knowledge, heat pumps only see use over direct electrical heating because they are effectively more than 100% efficient. They move more heat energy from outside to inside than they use in the transmission.

The breakdown between gas and electric heating isn’t necessarily a matter of how efficiently the energy is used once it gets to the home, it’s how expensive it is to get it there in the first place. In a lot, if not a majority, of places, it’s much cheaper to get gas piped in than it would be to pay for the same amount of heating via direct electric resistance. Heat pumps change the equation because they can make electric heating in places that don’t get outrageously cold economically competitive with gas.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yep PGE makes it so that gas is tremendously less expensive than electrical in California. So a lot of people who would normally be upgrading right now will not be doing so.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My heat pump is around 300% efficient. It adds 3X the energy into the house than it spends by stealing that energy from outside.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except when it's very cold outside, which is what was discussed here. Heat pumps are great (have one in my home), but it might not be ideal in very cold areas, especially if electricity prices are high compared to other energy sources.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You need to be in a very, VERY cold area for that to matter. While these places exists, I'm sure it's not the case for a lot of the states I've seen marked in that article. Heat pump can heat the inside of your house even when it's freezing outside.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

...and it will never go below 100% because most have resistive heating as backup.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's a misleading number. In most other cases where we are using electricity--motors, CPUs, lighting, etc--we consider the heat generated to be inefficiency. It might be more accurate to say that electric resistance heating is 100% inefficient.

If you're using resistance heating to heat your home, using electricity that's originally produced by natural gas, then you're using more natural gas compared to burning that gas for heat directly in a home furnace. Now, electric resistance heating can be a choice when it's fed by clean electrical sources otherwise. Even then, though, you would prefer a heat pump if possible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

And a heat pump powered by a natural gas power plant will bring more heat into the house for the same amount of gas, including losses in transmission. It will likely be more expensive to install and run, though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

It might be more accurate to say that electric resistance heating is 100% inefficient.

But the heat is the goal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you consider "extreme" cold?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I don't know. It's a curve though, not a cutoff.