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Every comment I would make on Reddit seemed to get challenged by someone looking to start a long-winded argument as they were, in fact, the main character of the universe.
I like it here because so far, people are nice. It’s like the first day of high school and everyone just wants to be friends and meet people.
No karma competition here. It has a bigger effect on behaviour than you'd think.
It’s like a little trophy or a symbol of validity to some people. You’d see big edits addressing downvoted as if people got personally hit in the head with them.
I don’t blame people though because viscerally, these things are little tokens of “approval” by others at large.
Reddit gamified participation, and the result was an addiction to trying to say things that people would click the updoot for. Here, the comment / post score is used purely to determine the relevance and value of the individual comments and posts. I think the result is clear: people feel less compelled to post the meme, the shitpost, the expected something and are more likely to express a thought they have, or think is valuable to the conversation.
The result is less stuff, but the stuff is more nuanced, interesting, and engaging (even if the engagement metrics are lower). It's also a less stressful environment to interact with, and is just kinda all around better since no one is trying to profit
God, I love this place. Instead of having to navigate through a mob of idiots to express an opinion or have a discussion, it's simply informed, quality discussion from top to bottom. What a good feeling, almost gives me hope for humanity
Cherish it now haha. If this place ever gets a lot more popular, you’ll start seeing all sorts of dumb takes and behaviours again 🤪
That's why I'm feeling a lot better about the steady rate of growth here. At first I just wanted to get everyone over from reddit ASAP, now I'm like okay, I could get used to the small town vibes with a bunch of cool people.
It's going to be an amazing journey as this place continues to grow. Just remember to laugh at the inevitable drama and cry at the bad memes. Never the other way around 🙃
Small town vibes is exactly how I’d put it haha. I tend to recognize a few posters here and there. Just like at my town’s post office 😂
I recognize a lot of people already but that's probably because I'm terminally online 😅
Votes have a bandwagon effect, both up and down votes. Sometimes it just felt like arguing with an army of mute downvoting zombies; no reply, just downvotes. I completely understand some communities on Lemmy disabling downvotes, even if that means there is no mora a "controversial" vote.
My only fear is that as Lemmy gets bigger, the same botting, brigading and mindless bandwagoning, will also come here.
I feel like your characterization of Reddit users as long-winded and contrarian is inaccurate and frankly offensive. Let me write you several paragraphs about why you’re wrong, sprinkled with thinly veiled personal insults and outright harsh commentary about you as a person.
Sorry, just trying to make it feel like our old home :)
Lmao this was good. You forgot to comb through my post history to see if you can make your comment even more hard-hitting by referencing a personal problem I have that was highlighted in a post or comment from 6 months ago 🤪
They're here. I got banned from no stupid questions for asking in the comments why an incredibly small group of people gets to define how I use language.
What’s the context? Sounds vague.
If I remember correctly I was arguing that "gender assigned at birth" already had a word for it and it was sex. Somebody asked about intersex people. I said I didn't see the point in altering my language for such a vanishingly small group. Then a week later the powermod decided to look through my comments and came to the conclusion that I was breaking "rule 7" which is some vague shit about being nice or something. That was one of the things that made me abandon lemmy.world. Old reddit mindset. I left reddit 8 years ago because of that crap and never went back.
I say powermod because they have a over a dozen subs started basically all mirroring reddit ones.
Ya you absolutely deserved to catch flack for that.
You are saying that gender is the same as sex and they’re categorically different things. It’s very easy to learn the difference so if you insist on arguing against facts, you’re damn right people are going to butt against you.
You’re arguing against treating people with kindness by pointing to the fact that they’re a minority. Lmao that’s the definition of a bigot.
If I'm having a conversation with an intersex person that actually cares, which with their prevalence I doubt it will ever happen, I will respect them. Why should I have to change the language I use outside of such a rare situation? We have terms like Biological Sex which mean something, and then we have bullshit like "gender assigned at birth" which on purpose mean nothing. Stop trying to make language intentionally tiring.
You did it again.
Just because someone got born with X plumbing and everyone just assumed they would feel like X gender since birth, does not mean they will. That's what "gender assigned at birth" means: an uninformed assumption.
It looks like you agree with me. You basically have the right terminology for sex, so why should we have a second term to use instead?
People who care about the difference between some things, tend to use different terms for them. Insisting on disregarding what they consider important, tends to make them feel insulted, which in this online setting, currently translates to getting blocked, reported, banned, or defederated.
‘Gender assigned at birth’ is a field in most electronic health care records for real healthcare based reasons. It means very specific things and is called out separately from legal sex and genetic info for real life-altering reaons. The vocabulary exists for far more serious reasons than to annoy you online. Frankly, it’s not even about you.
Please explain to me how gender assigned at birth is different from sex. Aside from the extremely rare intersex cases where it may have been mistaken they should be the same. Gender is your expression, but sex is genetic.
I completely agree with you. Now defend your point, which I've definitely attacked by replying. 🤺
You had me in the first ~half~ sentence.
As the antagonist of this thread, I would have to disagree with this statement. I was, initially, very dismayed to see that no one had taken issue with this comment. Alas, here I am, to set things right. Being that most online communities seem to revolve around my person, I thought that I’d share these thoughts that so many of you had been patiently awaiting.
No but fr, huge fan of these communities. The voices that search out an argument don’t seem to gain quite as much traction on fedi (yet, at least). Probably due to them having a larger overall audience on reddit to feel validated by. Hopefully it stays that way!
This killed me 🤣
Another big difference is the lack of vote fuzzing. It's more obvious when people are abusing the upvote/downvote function, and it feels more meaningful when you know each vote directly represents a real person.
On kbin you can even see publicly which user made each vote, but idk if that functionality is planned or possible on Lemmy. It's quite useful for combating brigading.
had me in the first half
I like I can say the words Tiannamen and Square and not feel like bots are out to get me 🙂
The misinfo on Reddit is wild. Just shows people don’t understand federation and how the views of one instances’ moderators doesn’t impact what people can say or do on other instances.
I like you!
Yay!
And I like you too.
That literally couldn't be further from the truth /s
Reddit comment: “Well actually…” straightens fedora