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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

"...b-b-buh-but muh fReE sPeEcH!!1"

-idiots who don't understand the 1st amendment only protects speech from the government, not individuals or corporations and it definitely doesn't protect them from the consequences of their words (never mind the fact that it only applies to one country)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is a common misunderstanding. First of all, this is a Canadian instance. There is no American constitution ruling over it. Second, free speech is not limited to the American constitution, or to governments. It is a concept that is related to people's ability to express themselves, not necessarily in relation to a governmental power.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Freedom of speech as a concept, sure, but the first amendment only applies to the US government.

Broadly speaking, here's a list of countries and their relative levels of freedom of speech: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-freedom-of-speech

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's what I said though. Idk who mentioned the first amendment.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was just making fun of people who bring it up when it's totally irrelevant, on a Lemmy hosted in Canuckistan.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Still, free speech can be pursued despite the unavailability of a first amendment. I myself do not like being restricted in what I can say, so if I am limited, I will try to fight this limitation, whether I am sponsored by daddy Obama's freedom drones or not. Now, if I went around waving a print of the first amendment that would indeed be ridiculous, especially being in Europe where it's not a concern of governments or the people in general.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Sure, freedom of speech can be pursued anywhere, to varying degrees of risk.

Canada or Norway? Sure, you'll probably be fine!

Russia or China? Depends on what you are expressing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

With the right VPN your chances increase infinitely. :)

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you implying that because the concept freedom of speech exists everyone is inherently required to follow it? What point are you trying to make??

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

No. I'm saying that the presence or absence of the first amendment does not preclude the pursuit, or lack thereof, of free speech. I'm saying that free speech can be perfectly pursued or restricted in the absence of the american government, and that the first amendment is simply a statement for Americans, by Americans, on what free speech means in terms of government regulation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The supreme court has also ruled that "the right of the people to peaceably assemble" includes groups telling people they disagree with to leave. Freedom of association includes freedom to not associate

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

We're not Americans tho. Supreme Court can go fly paper planes somewhere else.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

100%. My point wasn't that the supreme court and the constitution are global law. Just that if people are gonna make first amendment argments, they need to realize that they're stupid as hell if they think the first amendment gauruntees they be allowed to say anything anywhere to anyone

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not a government either, this is a website.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago