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if you could pick a standard format for a purpose what would it be and why?

e.g. flac for lossless audio because...

(yes you can add new categories)

summary:

  1. photos .jxl
  2. open domain image data .exr
  3. videos .av1
  4. lossless audio .flac
  5. lossy audio .opus
  6. subtitles srt/ass
  7. fonts .otf
  8. container mkv (doesnt contain .jxl)
  9. plain text utf-8 (many also say markup but disagree on the implementation)
  10. documents .odt
  11. archive files (this one is causing a bloodbath so i picked randomly) .tar.zst
  12. configuration files toml
  13. typesetting typst
  14. interchange format .ora
  15. models .gltf / .glb
  16. daw session files .dawproject
  17. otdr measurement results .xml
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was too young to use it in any serious context, but I kinda dig how WordPerfect does formatting. It is hidden by default, but you can show them and manipulate them as needed.

It might already be a thing, but I am imagining a LaTeX-based standard for document formatting would do well with a WYSIWYG editor that would hide the complexity by default, but is available for those who need to manipulate it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are programs (LyX, TexMacs) that implement WYSIWYG for LaTeX, TexMacs is exceptionally good. I don't know about the standards, though.

Another problem with LaTeX and most of the other document formats is that they are so bloated and depend on many other tasks that it is hardly possible to embed the tool into a larger document. That's a bit of criticism for UNIX design philosophy, as well. And LaTeX code is especially hard to make portable.

There used to be a similar situation with PDFs, it was really hard to display a PDF embedded in application. Finally, Firefox pdf.js came in and solved that issue.

The only embedded and easy-to-implement standard that describes a 'document' is HTML, for now (with Javascript for scripting). Only that it's not aware of page layout. If only there's an extension standard that could make a HTML page into a document...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I was actually thinking of something like markdown or HTML forming the base of that standard. But it's almost impossible (is it?) to do page layout with either of them.

But yeah! What I was thinking when I mentioned a LaTeX-based standard is to have a base set of "modules" (for a lack of a better term) that everyone should have and that would guarantee interoperability. That it's possible to create a document with the exact layout one wants with just the base standard functionality. That things won't be broken when opening up a document in a different editor.

There could be additional modules to facilitate things, but nothing like the 90's proprietary IE tags. The way I'm imagining this is that the additional modules would work on the base modules, making things slightly easier but that they ultimately depend on the base functionality.

IDK, it's really an idea that probably won't work upon further investigation, but I just really like the idea of an open standard for documents based on LaTeX (kinda like how HTML has been for web pages), where you could work on it as a text file (with all the tags) if needed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Finally, Firefox pdf.js came in and solved that issue.

Which uses a bloated and convoluted scripting format specialized on manipulating html.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, but it offered a much more secure alternative to opening up PDFs locally.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think so. pdf.js has all few monts a new XSS CVE, which is a web thing only. And if you use anything other than Adobe Reader/Acrobat...