Not sure why this got removed from 196lemmy..blahaj.zone but it would be real nice if moderation on Lemmy gave you some sort of notification of what you did wrong. Like an automatic DM or something
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If objective morality existed, we wouldn't be arguing about those things since we would all be in the same agreement.
Even "murder is wrong" isn't objective morally when you ask someone who believes in the death penalty.
This argument makes a fundamental mistake. Objective does not mean everyone agrees. Objective just means it's true.
The earth goes around the sun is objectively true, but give me 5 minutes and I can find you someone to disagree with that statement.
Disagreeing with an objective truth just means you're wrong.
While that works with 'facts', it doesn't work for opinions. A sense of morality is exactly an opinion or set of opinions that define what is and isn't right. It is exactly mired in perspective and again this is very self evident.
Muslims say that music is Haram because it is said so in Hadith, does that make music objectively wrong? They believe when a religious authority states this is true, that the religious authority has made a canonical judgement ( fatwa ) that is basically binding.
Am I a heathen for liking music then?
I can't believe people are so naive as to think objective standards for morality are even remotely possible.
That is the exact opposite of what the above comment said. An objective view of morality would say that the "rightness" or "wrongness" of the act of making music is an objective truth. If music is "right", then music is right, regardless of what Muslims or any other people say, and vice versa.
It means you can't come to a correct moral judgement just by taking a poll of the people around you.
That's literally exactly how all humans work. Our ideas is morality come from our peers, and culture. That's all relative and very mutable.
The universe doesn't exist in human terms though. Stars don't care about genocide, or abortion. Black holes don't care about gender or identity issues. I'm certain the universe does not exist on human terms, and human morality is only an idea that has meaning to other humans.
I don't believe there is a single valid, unassailable concept that can prop up the idea that objective morality is likely, or even possible.
Would morality exist once the last human dies? Did morality exist before? It's just a useless question.
"Objective just means it's true". No it doesn't. How do you even define "truth"? How do I know that I am not the only real person and that all of u r NPCs? How do I know that I am not in a simulation? Now, discussing about the simulation hypothesis is dumb, as it is unscientific in nature. It is not testable.
What is true can be established only when it goes through the scientific method. Hence, an "objective" statement is that statement that would be agreed upon using the scientific method by a certain consensus.
Morality is not testable. Hence, the scientific method cannot be used here. Hence, it can never be objective.
Look at the upvote/downvote ratio on OP's comment. That you all you need to know lol. Wish there was a !philosophymemes community on Lemmy
No you wouldn't. Disagreement doesn't invalidate or disprove objective morality; your actions have ironclad consequences whether you want to accept it or not.
If you dispute that, surely you won't mind me putting a bullet in your head and taking all of your money. Morality's subjective and I personally disagree that doing those things are wrong, therefore they're not wrong, therefore I can and will do them.
Subjective morality. Honestly.🤦