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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What do you hope comes after it ?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

No, this is Patrick

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Socialist phase where means of production are owned by the workers, and then communism.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can have cooperatives right now.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem there is getting the initial seed funding. Investors put money into companies because they want to have control over the company, and they can't do that with a cooperative. There is a systemic bias towards capitalist company structure because of that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Investors want to make money above all. You can issue bonds with favorable interest rates as long as you have a solid business.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The reality clearly demonstrates that investors don't bother investing in coops. You've obviously never actually tried to get investors to invest in a coop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No I haven't.

But I expect that the search for people who want to participate in an expanding cooperative is the bigger problem.

Do you know of a cooperative that wants to issue bonds?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I recommend learning a bit about the subject before arguing about it. Cooperatives don't issue bonds because nobody is going to buy these bonds.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (37 children)

Or cooperatives don't issue bonds because they believe that nobody will buy them.

It's the perfect investment for people who don't want to participate in the usual capitalism.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anarchist government, preferably communist in nature but mutualist works too.