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I mean yeah if I described autism using a bunch of statements that absolutely do not define autism, then it would sound dumb and bad. OP is acting like this is a list of neurotypical behaviors when it's actually just an inverted list of neurodivergent behaviors. Neurotypicality is not the reciprocal of neurodivergence.
It literally is though. How would you define "neurodivergence" if not "everything which is not neurotypical"?
"Divergent" does not equal "opposite".
A turtle is different than a lizard, the two lineages "diverged" evolutionarily at some point. I could describe a lizard as a scaled, heterothermic, terrestrial organism. If I describe something as a scale-less, homeothermic, non-terrestrial organism, I'm not describing a turtle, I'm just describing a "non-lizard". Don't confuse "neurodivergent" with "anti-neurotypical", they're not the same thing.
By your logic, for a person to be considered "neurodivergent" they would have to be completely 100% unlike a neurotypical person in every single way, which is simply not the case.
You're misreprenting what I'm saying.
"Neurodivergent" = "not neurotypical"
"Neurotypical" = "not neurodivergent"
They are antonyms. Note that I didn't say "a neurodivergent person cannot exhibit neurotypical traits" because that isn't true.
I understand what you're saying perfectly well. What you're saying is absolutely incorrect.
Neurodivergent =/= not neurotypical
Neurotypical =/= not neurodivergent
Each is defined by their own set of criteria and neither term is simply the antithesis of the other.
By that reading, would neurodivergent people even be human?
My point exactly. According to the previous comment, no they wouldn't. Which is why it's wrong.
The point I was trying to make is that no one considers neurodivergen people not human. They may sometimes treat us that way, but that's a different story.
Cvsting two things as opposites doesn't necessarily mean they are complete and total opposites. You can, and that is a common rhetorical device, pick only some relevant properties of something to make a point.
Humans and animals often get seen as opposing. But they all breathe, they all have vital organs, a lot of the time the same ones. Definitely not total opposites according to you. Our genome is more than 60% identical to a banana (source: https://www.pfizer.com/news/articles/how_genetically_related_are_we_to_bananas), so according to your logic, we cant even oppose human ratio to plants. Btw, chickens and humans have about the same ration of shared genome as bananas and humans.
Your interpretation is way too rigid to ever be able to use the concept of opposite, because you can always find something in common. This is why I think your answer was flawed.
I don't think you understand what's being discussed here.
Right, but the reptile parts are implicit. The average neurotypical and neurodivergent person is human, they all talk and walk, have five fingers, a normal physique, etc.
So if I describe a turtle as an aquatic reptile with flippers and a shell, then terrestrial reptile with normal legs and not having a shell does kinda describe a lizard.