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I’m not entirely sure why they want to fight low prices? The article doesn’t say why EU and others shouldn’t be able to afford e-vehicles
They undercut the sales of European vehicles which cost more.
Oh no, capitalism hurts itself in its confusion
"Capitalism breeds innovation and drivers prices down!"
Capitalism: no not like that
Unsustainable Chinese state subsidy is not capitalism.
Unsustainable state subsidies are not capitalism. Remember it’s not just the Chinese that do this kind of stuff.
Of course they are, subsidies are one of capital's favourite methods to siphon money out of the populace. Or were you under the impression that greedy people like playing fair on fair markets?
It's literally socialism but for the rich.
US government shoving millions up the asses of the their industries: capitalism
China shoving millions into their industries: communism
Yours faithfully, the brainwashed USAian
Every country does some level of industry subsidy. So it's kind of baked into capitalism now. And, technically, has been since the beginning.
yes, it is, USA also do that, and others countries with fossil fuel
Yes, and the EU largely responds in the sectors of US subsidy. Food imports are restricted. Airbus and Boeing are constant sources of trade spats, etc.
Chinese subsidy makes American subsidy look like childs play. Their response to China should match that discrepancy.
They are talking about car subsidies which China does and not all countries do in all markets.
It's not that simple. Caricatures are easy, but the fact remains that the Chinese auto makers are heavily subsidized and it's that government support that allows them (partially at least) to undercut the European auto makers.
That being said, the European auto makers really deserve to be hurt for their arrogance. And that's coming from someone whose income is directly related to how well they do.
If the EU bans Chinese cars, that's not capitalism in action.
Would they not have to be, if the owner were to register them in the country?
In the US they would, unless they get an exception (which generally means they are not cars and cannot be used on roads, though there are other ways to get an exception: none would apply to anything mass market)
I don't know what EU rules are.
EU rules are even stricter than those across the pond. There are entire classes of products banned from the European market due to impact on health that the USA will happily poison their population with.
https://thewellnesswatchdog.com/foods-banned-in-europe/
https://www.byrdie.com/banned-ingredients-europe
The EU follows a "precautionary principle" rather than the US "risk benefit" approach.
This leads to the EU often banning things which pose little it no risk (e.g. GMO foods).
Their approach is not necessarily better and the things they ban are not necessarily "toxic".
Eu rules are the same.
Golf carts, ATVs, UTVs commonly are allowed on roads under various local rules despite not meeting safety rules for road vehicles.
I think generally, if the car is a make and model that has previously passed inspections, they don’t need to be re-inspected? For instance, you don’t generally run into a situation where your ford focus is inspected, because that make and model is already “well known” so to speak.
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The Chinese cars by Chinese manufacturer are generally getting excellent safety rating. Most of them get 5 stars on NCAP crash test.
On the other hand the Renault Zoe, one of the best selling European car by a european manufacturer got a 0 star on the same crash test. It's not an isolated case, the e-c3 got a 0 star on the latin american test, I'm waiting to see what will be the score in Europe.
I'm not saying that Chinese car are better but the bad reputation is not justified anymore. Europeans automakers should get their shit together if they want to survive.
They're fighting Chinese market manipulation that is specifically designed to make the world dependent on them and lowers wages across the world by creating massive market imbalances. Every nation with two brain cells should ban the import of all Chinese vehicles and eventually all Chinese industry entirely.
Chinese electric car makers get absolutely massive state subsidies. There are companies like Nio that have never made a single dollar of profit. Nio has been losing money on every single car they sell, to the point where they've been losing almost a billion dollars in the last quarter alone.
However, China doesn't care. The state keeps financing these companies, because if they can undermine European and American auto makers to the point where they're simply unable to compete and maybe even completely collapse, then Chinese car makers will be the only ones left in the market, and they'll be able to charge any price they want.
And realistically, which American or European car maker will be able to compete with a multitude of Chinese competitors that all can afford to lose billions and billions every year without batting an eye?
So that's why they want to fight "low prices."
What article? That's an ad.
As long as safety and environmental regulations in China are lower than in Europe, it will always be cheaper to produce there.