this post was submitted on 21 Oct 2023
182 points (94.2% liked)
Games
16851 readers
643 users here now
Video game news oriented community. No NanoUFO is not a bot :)
Posts.
- News oriented content (general reviews, previews or retrospectives allowed).
- Broad discussion posts (preferably not only about a specific game).
- No humor/memes etc..
- No affiliate links
- No advertising.
- No clickbait, editorialized, sensational titles. State the game in question in the title. No all caps.
- No self promotion.
- No duplicate posts, newer post will be deleted unless there is more discussion in one of the posts.
- No politics.
Comments.
- No personal attacks.
- Obey instance rules.
- No low effort comments(one or two words, emoji etc..)
- Please use spoiler tags for spoilers.
My goal is just to have a community where people can go and see what new game news is out for the day and comment on it.
Other communities:
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I got a strong sense of laziness from so many aspects of the game, but now I've had more time to think about it... it's more likely yet another case of upper management forcing the game out earlier than the devs wanted. Same thing happened with CP2077.
Upper management often doesn't give a shit about the game at all, all they're interested in is how much money it's going to make; so the longer it's in dev, the more times it gets pushed back, the harder they're chomping at the bit to just release it already.
There was probably some pressure as the game was in development for a really long time it got already delayed by almost a year, but I also feel like it has a lot of design choices which aren't great. The development started right after Fallout 4, so I feel like 8 years of development is a pretty long time and if it had to be rushed out, there had to be some management problems. Feature creep is probably what especially happened, because there are so many game mechanics and features that don't really have good impactful use cases.
Not to spoil anything, but the story and lore is pretty meh. There's really no real sense of exploration like I have felt in Elder scrolls or Fallout. There's just too many loading screens all the time (This is probably an engine limitation, but something that should have been realized in the early phase of development. Probably not really something you can change later). There's a lot of sidequests, but most are just boring without a real story behind them.
The AI is just dumb and once you play for a while, the battles just doesn't challenge you in any way even on higher difficulties. The outpost system just doesn't make sense. It's not like there's not enough features in the outpost system, it just doesn't make sense to use it properly. The stealth system often doesn't make sense and is not useful in any way.
And to not to end it too negatively, I still liked the game. It's just frustrating because I see so many potential game mechanics around me while playing that don't really make sense to use.
That's a really good point tbf. 8 years, and this is what they released!
I've completed the game and agree, while it is an engaging game in some aspects, many systems felt 'mile wide / inch deep'. Especially the AI. And I fucking hated the stealth, it just didn't seem to work (though apparently a big reason for that is, many of us had armour 'set to invisible in settlement' which meant we're tramping around with all our armour on, which makes us very visible / audible even though we can't see the armour ourselves).
The development time was longer because they finally rewrote their old engine, so several of the years were just getting the engine working. So the game itself still could have been rushed out in the last couple years.