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Sarah Katz, 21, had a heart condition and was not aware of the drink’s caffeine content, which exceeded that of cans of Red Bull and Monster energy drinks combined, according to a legal filing

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Reporting in after having just come from Panera due to this article. Didn't read article, and it might be click bait or might not. I do know that the drink in question is slapped right beside all the typical juices and sodas, and the label says "contains as much as our dark roast coffee" then below that, even less obvious it gives serving sizes & caffeine amounts. Call me crazy, but I doubt your average consumer is going to consider just how much caffeine might be in LEMONADE.

Panera is definitely losing this one. It could even be argued that they chose a product with that much caffeine and to not really advertise it based on the amounts of caffeine of the 30oz literally being a hair's width away from the potential danger threshold.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My biggest question is what is the market for this? Who is like: I really want a lemonade but I want it to have more caffeine than a redbull! It seems like such a weird product in general.

If you want caffeine and you are at a bakery, you are going to get a coffee or tea. If you are at a bakery and want lemonade, you probably aren't trying to get 'charged' or else youd just get a coffee or tea.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

You can't believe that people would want heroic doses of sugar and caffeine, two of the most available addictive substances on the market?

Also a lot of people don't like the taste of coffee or tea

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There’s still a large number of us wondering wtf the market for Red Bull is. I want a drink with the flavor and consistency of watered down Stretch Armstrong guts with more caffeine than anything that has ever existed. It seems like such a weird product in general.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm apparently one of the few people that actually like the taste of redbull, but talking about market, redbull is all about giving people energy, be it real or not is another thing, people buy it when they want to party all night long, when they need to study for a test and don't want to fall asleep or whatever else related to energy (or just because they like the taste like me lol) so the market does exist.

And since taste was talked about, I absolutely hate the taste of beer and especially those high hop content ones, but they're incredibly popular, what's up with that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

IDK about others but beer tasted horrible to me for years. After a while it just grew on me. Apparently your taste buds change and get weaker as you grow older so strong tastes start tasting better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Red Bull tastes so fucking bad. It's like cough medicine

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm basically the target audience for this and I'd never heard of it

Agreed that it is a very weird product to just kinda... have

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Who is like: I really want a lemonade but I want it to have more caffeine than a redbull!

It doesn't have more caffeine than a red bull per unit volume. But yes, if you compare the largest size to one can of red bull it will win out. So will drinking a similar volume of coffee.

And I'd guess the market for it is people who want coffee levels of caffeine but don't like the taste of coffee or the citrus battery acid taste of energy drinks.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The 30oz size has 390mg caffeine. The FDA says 400mg a day is not generally associated with harmful effects for adults without heart conditions etc. If the FDA says up to 400mg is fine, I don't think it's fair to call that the "danger threshold." That's like calling the speed limit the "danger threshold." It's set there for a reason, but you don't go from "no adverse effects" to "danger" as soon as you cross the line.

It's advertised as having the same amount of caffeine as their coffee. 30oz of coffee is a pretty significant amount. Not typically dangerous, but hardly something you can drink by accident.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

390 in a serving versus 400 per day.

That's an entire days worth in one blast.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Most people normally don't drink their caffeine over a 24 hour period. Maybe a couple hours. The half-life of caffeine in the body being about 5 hours, the peak concentration of caffeine won't be that much higher. Note the FDA doesn't say "400mg is safe but only if you don't drink it all at once."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's sad that someone loss their life to - of all things - lemonade.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you sell a 30oz container, you should have to label the amount of shit that is in that container instead of making up your own, cockamamie "serving size" that does not relate to real-world situations whatsoever.