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True, I opened my account June 1st on Beehaw, lemmy.world didn't exist yet. But I had to open an account on LW when BH defederated them...
I'm happy to see .world growing for this reason. There has to be a neutral ground for everyone. The gatekeeping of communities like Beehaw are fine for them, but in order for the lemmy to grow, it has to be shapeable by the community. Moderation screening, content rigidity, and walled gardens are antithetical to the type of social network that people are looking for as a replacement to Reddit. The community has to be allowed to make the place its own.
Edit: For the record, I'm perfectly aware they plan to refederate once they get their "moderation" tools. I just question what tools they deem sufficient to permit refederation. Moderation tools on Lemmy will be extremely powerful thanks to votes being public, and I don't trust admins of some of these instances to be responsible or fair with them, or to only use them on the most toxic elements. Petty, groundless shadowbanning and admin "curation" is going to plague Lemmy going forward, mark my words. That's why we need some neutral ground.
I made an account on sh.itjust.works because world was having some issues registering new users. Because of this small issue I ended up taking a deep dive into learning about the Fediverse. It's such a cool concept and really easy to use once you familiarize yourself with it.
It's also awesome that instances can federate with one another, so communities can continue to grow! I was apprehensive of making the switch initially due to the presumption that it would require a steep learning curve, but I learned how to access, browse, and interact on lemmy in 15 minutes or less lol.
I keep mentioning it, but the fediverse reminds me of my early days of browsing reddit back in the mid-late 2000s. Lemmy feels like home and I can't wait to see it grow :)
And it's real good to see you here, if this is the original PK.
Yep, it's really me! I made my first sourced comment the other day about Twitter and Elon Musk.
This just made my day, so glad poppin is here!
So glad you're here! It feels like home now!
Okay I was a chronic lurker on Reddit but seeing you here gives me hope for the Soccer community on this site, which has thus far been a huge gaping hole. I honestly haven't used anything other than r/Soccer to keep up with football news in many years so I hope Lemmy can shoulder that burden sooner rather than later. It's probably the one part of Reddit that I'm really struggling to replace and/or live without.
Hey o/
Yea truth be told I still visit r/soccer and r/reddevils to catch up on football related news every morning/evening. The communities on Lemmy are still growing and while the more popular communities are very active, niche communities like sports will take some time.
Check out the football community on Lemmy, it's starting to get active. I've recently started posting too.
I'm not sure how to link directly to a community, so here's a link to one of my posts. You can click on the community and subscribe
Oh hi, that's a name I never thought I'd see again, good to see you're here
Hey cool, you run an electronic music community. I just subbed!
gooble gobble one of us! Took me days of futility to finally get my account to activate. Sigh, F5 and re-captcha. But I finally found a window. It reminded of trying to buy bjork tickets back in the day.
Absolutely agreed, I'm very grateful for world :3
Can you (or anyone else) explain the circumstances around them defederating? More specifically, why would they do that, and what exactly is their benefit?
My understanding for Beehaw specifically is that it was a temporary measure to guard against the huge influx of users, as well as a way to stop trolls from creating duplicate accounts from World (since it’s popular and has open registration). Defederating gives them time to figure some things out and scale up if they want to.
.world doesn’t require as stringent verification and beehaw mods claimed that a lot of spam was coming from .world. I don’t know if that’s true, but that’s what they claimed.
Someone dug into the mod logs and found four or five instances of lemmy.world accounts being moderated on Beehaw. That’s all it took for them to defederate
Beehaw will probably die if they want to defederate from any largr instance with open signups. This whole system won't work without open signups because no one wants to go through an interview process to use a social media site. They'll leave or just cave and go back to reddit.
Fully agree. Ain't nobody wanna audition just to talk to people online.
Not sure why people care so much, they are only hurting themselves and the communities hosted on their insurance — way more than the damage to .ml or .world
The moderation tools available in Lemmy currently are a bit lacking so it put too much burden on Beehaw staff to moderate users from instances that allow fully open signup. Beehaw was seeing a large influx of trolls signing up on open signup instances and causing a lot of problems over there which eventually pushed the matter. For those unaware, Beehaw prides itself on keeping a tight lid on tolls and negativity so it was really against their ethos to not be able to keep up with it.
It's worth noting that there is no hostility or anything between Beehaw and the other instance admins. Both sides admins have been openly posting about their discussions and both sides are looking forward to refederating as soon as the mod tools in Lemmy improve enough to do so.