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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because they can move fast enough to not be in the way for people behind them, since they are among the fastest vehicles on our roads. Bikes are considerably slower, which makes it more of a nuisance for those they're sharing the road with if they can't easily be passed.

Bike lanes are a good thing, and being courteous is a good thing- that goes both for passing when safe and being respectful of bike riders when you're driving a car, and also for allowing cars to pass where possible when you're moving significantly slower than the average traffic speed on a bicycle. It doesn't have to be adversarial.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Trains are even faster than cars despite being more efficient. Cars actually get in the way of trains, as level crossings are among the worst bottlenecks to both speed and frequency on a railroad, even if every single driver obeys the rules perfectly, the existence of an intersection between two fundamentally incompatible modes of transport introduces a conflict point which inevitably creates inefficiencies. In this way, cars are a "nuisance" to trains in the same way bikes are to cars, and being courteous won't solve that. So by your own logic, we should get rid of cars and build rail instead.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tracked vehicles tend to have priority against all other methods of transport on land. They're just as incompatible with pedestrians and bikes as with busses, lorries and cars.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's far easier, cheaper, faster, and more space efficient to build a pedestrian or bike over/underpass than one for cars. A pedestrian overbridge is usually a community project with city involvement, a car overbridge is at the very least a city/country project potentially with state or federal funding.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Being courteous does solve that...? First off, trains don't share the road, they follow tracks, so thats somewhat of a convoluted comparison. But more importantly, you stop at train crossings so the train can go first...? Is your argument that that's inefficient? Everything is inefficient. Any solution to a really complicated problem like how multiple forms of transportation co-exist is going to have inefficiencies

Also, no idea where you got the idea that I would be opposed to building more rail and less cars? Cars should increasingly be de-prioritzed in favor of bikes, ebikes, and public transit, but bike riders should be courteous of those who are driving and vice versa, and cars should continue to stop at train tracks to allow trains to go by. Where on earth did you get the idea that my logic of "be considerate of those who are using a different means of transportation" means cars should go away or that cars shouldn't go away? Also we definitely should be building rail, if we're gonna deprioritze cars we need public transportation to help fill that gap for people who aren't in a position to commute or travel by bike/ebike, but all of our infrastructure is currently built around cars, and even in a distant future there will be a need for cars in addition to bikes and trains, we just have way too many of them

I don't mean to come across as rude, but your response to my comment honestly does really confuse me.

Be respectful of those you share the road with. That means driving in a way that's safe for cyclists. That means letting cars go by (when safe to do so) when you're cycling since they travel much faster than you. And definitely stop at train tracks so that trains can go by.