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His win is a direct result of the Supreme Court's decision in a pivotal LGBTQ+ rights case.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

How is his policy/service any different from a whites only lunch counter?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The line seems to be based around custom services or requiring artistic impression. Just selling tacos with choice of 5 toppings, can't discriminate. Selling tacos with custom designs on the tortillas, can discriminate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Making burgers is the same regardless of who eats it.

Taking photos is different based on what you're taking pictures of.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It's a single independent contractor performing a service considered to be bespoke skilled labor. He has no obligation to enter a work contract the same way I can't force you to clean my gutters. A chow house on the other hand, serves the same food to everyone. There's no contact to enter, only goods to be purchased.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can a dentist have a non-gay/non-black policy?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Not that I personally agree, but per the Supreme Court, probably.

With that said, on what planet would a black person even want some racist bigot working on their teeth?? There's a huge risk of him being a total piece of shit and doing a terrible or deliberately malicious job.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why is society obligated to allow a discriminatory business like this to exist?

Why do we just take as a given that anyone is allowed to start a business?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No one said otherwise, just pointing out why Walmart can't deny your right to buy a redbull but I have no obligation to fix a computer with a Nazi flag stickers on it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But our existence is not some kind of political opinion. If a wedding photographer won't take jobs from interracial couples because he thinks that they sully the white race or some shit it is not really different from the stuff this guy did. And my example would hopefully fall under any anti-discrimnation laws.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Honest question, In your mind, should I be legally compelled to work on systems operated by people openly racist towards me?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What exactly do you mean with "systems"?

I would say no to that because there is a big difference between refusing to work for someone that holds a discriminatory ideology and refusing to work for someone that is some category of human they hate especially if they can't actually do something about being in that category like with skin colour or being LGBTQ+.

You can't be tolerant of intolerance if you call yourself tolerant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That right to refuse work based on your personal ideology has to cut both ways, otherwise those in power get to decide what is a 'just' reason for refusal of services and what is an 'unjust' reason. If the right group of racists were in power, then I could be legally compelled to perform services for those who are openly hostile towards me, which you yourself seem to intimate would be 'unjust'

In the same way that I can choose not to take a job at Nestle because of how they treat our freshwater supply, I can also choose not to work on Jimbobs computer because he doesn't believe the Holocaust happened.

Also 'systems' was just a placeholder to clarify I wasn't selling commodites, sorry for any confusion there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

What exactly do you mean with “systems”?

Are you paying attention? In the first comment of his you replied to, he said: "but I have no obligation to fix a computer with a Nazi flag stickers on it."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm not sure I see how the product of his photography service(however bespoke) is any different from the product of the meal and a place to eat. Everyone at the chow house is arguably getting a bespoke experience as well since there's more than one seat and presumably you not every meal is going to be prepared in the exact same way and may in fact involve customization like the rarity of a steak or thes submission or removal of ingredients(eg 'no cheese').

My understanding is that a business is still allowed to deny service to any singular customer for no explicit reason. It's the matter of stating and enforcing a policy of discrimination against a protected class.

You can't force me to clean your gutters, but you also could sue me if I refused to clean your gutters by showing you my policy that I refuse to do business with anyone belonging to whatever protected class you fall under. Because the policy of discrimination is what's illegal and not the individual act of discrimination itself.

Also, I'm pretty sure purchasing a good still legally qualifies as a form of a contract in tort law. Ofc I am in no way a lawyer so please, anyone, correct me if ive misunderstood here.