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Basically democracies. It is kind of difficult to consider non-democratic dictators like Putin or Kim Jong-un as representatives of some kind of “community”.
You know the vast majority of south and central americas are democracies too, right?
Also a not-insignificant amount of Asia, Africa, and Pacific islands.
South America just isn’t really too involved in international politics in general, the whole region is neutral in almost all conflicts since very few directly affect them
They are involved in their own politics, just like the first world only cares about what happens to the first world.
Israel confirmed first world..?
Yes, first world means "allied to the US" and has nothing to do with standard of living.
If you use the old Cold War definition, yes. Otherwise
No, but they are directly tied to the US.
I said this about Assad as well, but when someone is a forever ruler, it may not be as democratic as the name implies
Of course. I am not going to defend the particular choice of countries in that picture. Where is South Korea, for example? However. Democracy is greater than just democratic election. Fascists in Germany also come to power in a free democratic election, does not make Nazi Germany a democratic country.
The nazis in Germany came to power in the "Machtergreifung" (seizure of power).
In the last free democratic election, they got 33% of the vote.
Yes, but it was by far the largest (the second party got just 20%) and in multiparty system that was enough to later enact laws that made it into dictatorship.
Never realized South Korea, Taiwan, or other SEA countries are not democracies but dictatorships.
I was there when it happened. Got to say the Thais are pretty chill.
South Korea at least should probably be included in this map. It generally does include capitalist democracies, but it's not sufficient and probably not necessary for the general criteria.
Never heard that they don't generally stand alongside the rest of democracies if you hear 'international community'. All of them condemning Russias attack on Ukraine, China taking parts of the Philippines and the terrorist attack on Israel from the Hamas.
to be fair, South Korea is a company country, fucking Samsung is more influential than the government is many places
Latin America and India doesn't count because they are full of brown people, right?
And of course Africa does not even exist
Ah yes Brazil, beacon of freedom, like the freedom to shoot some slum kid in the face for the crime of being a slum rat.
Brazil makes the USA seem like the fucking beacon of freedom and equality that the fucking G.I. Joe cartoons portray it as.
dumb? have you ever fucking been to Brazil? well at least outside the posh tourist areas.
I already know the answer is no, because anyone who HAS knows that the shit I described is all too common, and it's not like I haven't lived in "economically challenged"(see Hood) parts of the US.
ah, a privileged brat, at least you are not one of those not openly Nazi German holdouts in the south I guess
Just so we're clear, you can think of two missing countries?
What an odd coincidence that primarily white, English-speaking countries have democracy.
Nothing odd about it. There are historical reasons for that. But English speaking? You do know that there are many countries in EU?
I think you missed my sarcasm. Also, I said "primarily".
/s is your friend.
Even as primarily, this is false statement. And even there, there are historical reasons.
You are so stuck on details you entirely missed my point. Are you just going to ignore the fact that the "world" depicted here is literally just Europe and its most successful colonies?
Yeah colonialism is a "historical reason", but wtf are you even saying there? Being killed is "a reason" to be lying on the stairs, but explaining that by saying "he has his reasons" is so out-of-touch as to be insane.
yeah,
these are the democracies that invaded Iraq/Libya to install a democracy.
I keep having to remind myself how much good it did to the people of Iraq/Libya.
Imma be real with you chief none of these are democracy
Just to be clear, you don't understand what that means
They're only dictators in our minds, because the West has told us they are for years. I've always wondered what's really behind their strategy, but we can't get unbiased news about their countries and the people living there anymore.
It's really interesting to me because they are dictators, they're also the only countries that managed to give the big finger to the US' meddling and disrupting regional politics. Did they become dictators to stop that or is it a chicken and the egg situation? Need more info.
Are they only dictators in our minds or are they dictators? You don't seem to be sure.
Yes I'm not sure, only in the sense that I've seen what happens when you kill a dictator and try to replace it with 'democracy.'
Everyone swoops in, hires some armed forces to get the natural resources they need and then leaves. The population is left to fend themselves and are usually governed for decades by the stronger mostly extremist government party. By the time they revolt, they get beat down again and again, until they just give up and the country descends into another humanitarian crisis.
It just sets them back for decades. That's all.
🙄 we get it, everything is the US governments fault.
Current Africa is the fault of British and French. Current Middle East the fault of British, French and the USA. Current India has strong feelings against the British. Current Iran has a strong theocracy because of the USA. Current South America still feels the effects of the USA's CIA's meddling.
Of course it is your oil-and-war-industry-mirror governments. It has been an entity whose sole focus has been war profiteering and thus warmongering at least since the WW2, no matter how democratically(!) you choose your presidents. Your warmongering government doesn't even care about its citizens (see healthcare, gun laws, abortion laws, lgbt laws, online and other privacy rights, etc.). Your whole nationwide and even international media is a public opinion shaping and damage control asset for the government.
What the fuck do you expect to hear from other people, who have been direct or indirect victims of your warmongering and coups, to say about this? Tell you that is is so known a fact that we can practically ignore it at this point and carry on with our lives? Problem is, unless you stop, we can't even carry on with our lives.
Not everything relates to the US
No, they are actual dictators IRL too.