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Israel revises Hamas attack death toll to 'around 1,200' (www.reuters.com)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Thanks. The video is an interview with Greame Wood, and I was able to find his article in the Atlantic describing the footage collected and presented by the IDF, dated October 23. It's certainly horrifying. He specifically remarks that the presentation featured no signs of rape, apparently in reference to earlier, uncorroborated claims. There's also no mention of victims being tied together and then deliberately set on fire, which is the unsourced allegation I have seen going around lately. Frustratingly, he doesn't say one way or the other whether the footage shows that any of the attackers were "looking for kids to kill them" as implied by the IDF presenter.

Ah this was about Palestinian burned bodies not Israeli, my apologies.

What did you mean by that? It's been suggested there's been some difficulty figuring which remains belong to the attackers versus the victims, which seems plausible, but I haven't seen any sources confirming that that's the situation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

The allegation of victims tied together and set on fire is absolutely true. I saw the images, and here is an article with it.

https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/

This article is corroborated by The Guardian, who was at the same press conference, but chose not to post that picture, but a couple other ones.

I saw another image of this mother and child as seen at the scene of the crime too in an archive curated by first responders at the scene.

Many, many of the victims were burned alive.

Edit: Haaretz was probably at the press conference too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm not so sure about that The Media Line link. I searched The Guardian and only only came up with this article, which describes an adult and child having died in a fire while holding each other with no mention of being restrained with steel wire:

Kugel showed journalists an image of one burned and almost unidentifiable collection of bones collected from a saferoom in one kibbutz, then a scan of those remains.

In it, two spines and two sets of ribs were visible, one smaller than the other, which he said told a painful story of their deaths. “This is an adult with a child. They are sitting together and hugging,” Kugel said.

The Media Line article interviews the same Dr. Chen Kugel, head of Israel's National Center for Forensic Medicine, but omits his above description and does not attribute the steel wire claim to any sources. It's also vague about whether the victims were directly set on fire or whether they died in burning buildings. In comparison, the Guardian article clearly states as follows:

With some less damaged bodies found in burned buildings, soot in the trachea showed that victims were alive when a fire was set and probably died of smoke inhalation, Kugel said. He wants families to know that victims would have died from smoke inhalation before flames reached their bodies.

The Media Line article even ends by quoting an obvious lie that "No one who was alive and encountered them [the Gazan attackers] remained alive. No one."

I've never heard of The Media Line before today and I don't know what they're usually like, but I have to question the agenda of an outlet that would publish these embellishments. What the attackers actually did to civilians was bad enough for reasonable people to understand an IDF response to hurt the capabilities of the Gazan armed resistance and maybe try to extract some of the hostages. However, embellishing what happened serves the purposes of distracting from the IDFs failures and further dehumanize Palestinians in order to manufacturer consent for something more drastic and ghastly than measured retaliation against Hamas et al.

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