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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Well you typically need standing in order to file a lawsuit, who would do it? Mozilla are probably the only ones. Why would this cause them to do it when past similar practices haven’t?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago

Europe will step in as usual

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps YouTube premium subscribers would have standing as a class action, since Google is materially worsening the experience of a paid product if you don’t use their browser

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I personally don’t think an argument like that would hold up. A company making its service worse in itself isn’t going to win court cases, and this is hardly the worst example of a tech company making its products worse unless you use more of their software.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Perhaps not, but it’s not just the act of making the service worse, it’s doing so measurably to paying customers ONLY when using a competitors product. With those caveats, I think you could at least argue standing. Winning is a whole other battle.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Microsoft, Mozilla org, maybe apple

EFF or government

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

On what standing though? Mozilla potentially has standing, and if the government finds that google is a monopoly, then the government could have standing, but nobody else.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

How would Mozilla finance a court case against google though?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Users affected by it, Mozilla, any other company that comes to support Mozilla, watchdog groups like the EFF...

It can also be brought by attorneys general and governmental regulators, the FCC and FTC might have a bit to say about it...

Antitrust suits aren't civil cases, I don't think, so "having standing" is a bit different

I'm not a lawyer though so I could be way off base, but the antitrust cases I've been aware of I don't think they were brought by companies but by government agencies

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Isn't Mozilla a non profit? I don't they can sue for anything along the lines of hurting profits to the company.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Can't you sue for loss of income regardless?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

They do have a for-profit subsidiary that potentially could though

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Of course they can. If the word profit is confusing you replace it with returns or finances.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Google funds then I'm pretty sure..