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and no one irl even has the decency to agree with me because it's so fucking drilled into the culture that these fucking BuNsInNesSes have a Right to do this because it's a bSUsniEss. like oh yeah they have an office building so they definitely get to analyze my piss because they say they want to. sick fucking freaks.

preaching to the choir a bit on lemmy (or i would hope so at least) but still

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (2 children)

But what you are saying is probable cause. I think the OP complains about random testing without any justification.

In your example, even if you were not legally entitled to carry out a drug test, you could simply call the police and let them do the check.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Random drops are how you catch functionals before they fuck up and cost business.

Not really, the person could refuse and the cops can't do anything unless it's operated in public which most forklifts are not.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I've also worked a lot in heavy industry and if choices were. I'd rather have drug testing at an interval than not, and alcohol blow test every morning.

Narcotics, and alcohol, do not belong in the workplace and I dispise apologists. Then I'm also biased against since I've seen too many ruin their lives catching the next high or dying of it. A bit irrelevant to your post but it really rustles my jimmies.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Random tests could be fairer and avoid discrimination or prejudicial testing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Random tests are used as discriminatory and prejudicial testing.

They are never actually random.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My union pays you $100 if you get hit with a random. They're also the ones who issue them. Not my employer

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

This is kinda nice

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's a very easily solvable problem

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Unless your idea is to use a daily meeting where a d100 is rolled ro determines who is tested today in front of everyone you cannot really rule out any suspicion for bias.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

You just came up with a single super simple way to do it. I'm sure there's loads of other solutions that offer similar sort of randomness with more convenience.

And remember, we're comparing this to people asking to be tested on a hunch. Do you not think these randomness measures are better for fighting bias and discrimination, or is the issue that you can't have 100% always free of bias randomness?