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This makes me 😭

UPDATE: Thanks @[email protected] for this update: The issue has now been commented on and was closed by the maintainer, where they explained why those blocks would be nonsense. But it appears the OP wants to still talk with maintainer privately about it.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

the discussion is happening here: https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/73

Someone working at Proton has commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.

If you want my personal take:

It's very clear how the list maintainer opposes anonymity in the internet in any form, which I see as an attack on freedom, journalism and activism.

I'm not a fan of Protonmail of any sort and in fact I consider that their privacy is lacking... but I really hope they can talk some sense into this guy. This block list seems to be used by a lot of webs that will start blocking virtually every private email provider.

(Edit: I assumed the person that posted the email list was a maintainer, but they don't seem to have a "contributor" or "owner" badge, so idk. Maybe they are just very angry at privacy and anonymity on the internet)

[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (5 children)

What do you consider to be a good privacy focused email solution that allows anonymity?

[–] [email protected] 67 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They're talking out their bum. It's as private as any email service can be.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

important to emphasize here that email is inherently not very private. Proton is one of the best email providers for privacy, but for things you really need to be private (eg organizing protests in less-than-friendly countries) you shouldn't use email at all.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Which is precisely why I said "as any email service can be".

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

yes I agree with you lol just trying to be extra clear for people who might be confused

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Does proton do anything other than encrypting the email file? TLS should be enough to encrypt the transfer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They do lots. They open images and other attachments on their servers so they can't be used to track you and filter tracking links when possible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Okey, that sounds super nice. I might just switch over my email as well to them, not just use them for their calendar.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

I would love to know this too ☺️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is addy.io any good? I’ve poked around a bit but not investigated deeply

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

As a paying customer, it's good if you want a burner email address that forwards to your actual email address. Not sure if they're offering full blown mailing servers now, though. Pretty much does what I need it to do, personally.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah, that's also what I use it for. Discovered that my ProtonMail subscription came with SimpleLogin now, but its UI/extension is kind of annoying to use compared to AnnonAddy (Addy.io now, I guess), so I kept paying for it. Was mostly pointing out that Addy.io isn't a mail service, they're a mail forwarding service (unless that's changed since they became Addy.io).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

That’s basically all I want as a mail edge

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What do you consider to be a good privacy focused email solution that allows anonymity?

cock.li

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I clicked for you. From the website:

Cock.li is your go-to solution for professional E-mail and XMPP addresses. Since 2013 cock.li has provided stable E-mail services to an ever-increasing number of users. Cock.li allows registration and usage using Tor and other privacy services (proxies, VPNs) and thanks to continued funding by its users is certain to stay free forever.

(SFW)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I just couldn’t say my email out loud.

β€œWait, what did you say?!”

β€œIt’s private!”

β€œI’m calling the police”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago

Germany vs Switzerland eh?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

These lists are used by platforms to try and cut down on spam/bot account signups. This isn't a thing done for signups by the vast majority of platforms out there, but the API verification steps IS becoming more prevalent I suppose. I just got rejected for using a Protonmail domain to buy something outright on a very popular pet supplies platform the other day, but...eh.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They’ll just lose my business and get a stern customer support email then. I don’t do business with companies that exclude Proton/Tutanota/Skiff emails.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It’s very clear how the list maintainer opposes anonymity in the internet in any form,

why would anyone ever be like this?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe a fed, corpo or authoritarian

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I was thinking the same. Would be mighty convenient for them if people had to switch to sellout mail providers because the alternatives are all blocked.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

This is not the list maintainer. Just a rando who opened a request

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Someone working at Proton has commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.

They're not the maintainer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I say that in my comment

Edit: I assumed the person that posted the email list was a maintainer, but they don't seem to have a "contributor" or "owner" badge