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"Systematic reviews of controlled clinical studies of treatments used by chiropractors have found no evidence that chiropractic manipulation is effective, with the possible exception of treatment for back pain.[8] A 2011 critical evaluation of 45 systematic reviews concluded that the data included in the study "fail[ed] to demonstrate convincingly that spinal manipulation is an effective intervention for any condition."[10] Spinal manipulation may be cost-effective for sub-acute or chronic low back pain, but the results for acute low back pain were insufficient.[11] No compelling evidence exists to indicate that maintenance chiropractic care adequately prevents symptoms or diseases.[12]"

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (5 children)

This is one of those things, like acupuncture, that I will not fault anyone else for engaging in. There's no hard evidence that they are effective, but if it helps you with your problem (even if it's all in your head), then it was worth it, was it not?

I know people who have had their lives improved and their mobility restored thanks to chiropractors. I also know one or two who swear they got scammed for years because the pain always comes back really quickly.

I may not personally recommend a chiro to someone as a solution to their back or neck pain, but I won't discourage them from going if they are considering it.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Except chiropractors also occasionally maim and murder people.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Acupuncture can also fuck people up. Unsurprisingly it's dangerous to have someone with no medical training inserting long needles into your body.

Anyone benefiting from chiropractic probably just needs a real physiotherapist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Oh you have back pain? Let me lightly stab you, I'm sure that'll help.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

hell yeah, nothing wrong with scamming desperate people out of money

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I guess my point is that it doesn't really matter if their practice is backed up by hard science or not if some people still experience tangible benefit from doing it. Is it still a scam if the scammer provided you the product that you paid for?

Like I said, I would never advocate for someone to go see a chiropractor, an acupuncturist, a homeopath, a shaman, or whatever alternative treatments that might be out there over going to a real doctor or therapist, but if they're already going to one and claiming that it's working for them, why bother trying to convince them otherwise? You can tell them it's pseudoscience until the cows come home, they're not going to be inclined to listen.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Acupuncture is quackery too. At the very least it should not be part of any public health service, or insurance policy, and people gullible enough to go for it should have to pay out of their own pocket.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I used to think the same thing, now I am torn. Are you familiar with the organ that is the interstitium?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do you mean the network of collagen fibers and fluid-filled spaces that underlies the skin and surrounds the gut, muscles, and blood vessels? Calling that an "organ" is a ginormous stretch.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why isn't it an organ?

It makes up 20% of your body weight, that doesn't seem inconsequential. It has signaling functions, and that's just the start of what we know about it. We also discovered it's how cancer can end up so far away after it's undergone metastasis.

A neat Scientific American article about it from discoveries made the last decade for anyone interested.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ok, I'll admit that I learned something today - so that's a win - but did you even read the article you linked?

The researchers are calling this network of fluid-filled spaces an organ—the interstitium. However, this is an unofficial distinction; for a body part to officially become an organ, a consensus would need to develop around the idea as more researchers study it, Theise told Live Science. The presence of these fluid-filled spaces should also be confirmed by other groups, he added."

So, ya know, it's not being called an organ by anyone but this group of researchers...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I am glad you read it, this subject matter fascinates me.

It's essentially almost like a new discovery from only 5 years ago. I think we are about to learn much more about the different roles this system (organ) plays.

I am not going to debate about whether some groups have declared it an organ or not. I believe it will be in time anyway.

The research surrounding this is interesting because you have so many people jumping into it that some people are simultaneously saying things like "I think this could be a way cancer moves around the body" and another being like "Yeah, I basically proved that already. I am attempting to figure out how to stop it"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

This was news to me too not long ago, but acupuncture is legit and used in western medicine. I found this out because a friend of mine in the military received acupuncture to treat his back pain. Like a white dude named Brad that went to med school put 3 or 4 pins in his ear and his back pain was gone for the day.

Here's an article more scientific than my antidote. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1129299/