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Everywhere I look there are people advocating for defederation from this and that! Do you even understand what you're suggesting? Do you get what's the point of decentralized social media and activity pub?

This is supposed to be free and accessible for everyone. We all have brains and can decide who to interact with.

If meta or any other company manages to create a better product it's just natural that people tend to use it. I won't use it, you may not use it and it's totally fine! It's about having options. Also as Mastodon's CEO pointed out there's no privacy concern, everything stays on your instance.

Edit: after reading and responding to many comments, I should point out that I'm not against defederation in general. It's a great feature if used properly. Problem is General Instances with open sign-ups and tens of thousands of users making decisions on par of users and deciding what they can and can not see.

If you have a niche or small community with shared and agreed upon values, defederating can be great. But I believe individual users are intelligent enough to choose.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Defederation is a feature, not a weakness.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True! Defederation is great sometimes, if you have a niche community and there is some other instance directly opposing your values or if content there is illegal in your jurisdiction etc.

Nagging about every single instance with a few bad actors on the other hand is problematic in my opinion

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nagging about every single instance with a few bad actors...

Yup. Tells the admins to do their jobs and get rid of bad actors.

Too many of y'all are perfectly fine with hate seeping in through the seams. It needs to be stamped out like a smoldering ember before it grows to an uncontrollable wildfire. They aren't here to engage in constructive conversations. They want to do two things: spread their bullshit, and recruit edgy teenagers. Neither of these things can happen when admins do their duty and smite the hate. And if a federation isn't doing their duty, cut em off. They can come back when they straighten their shit out.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This system literally allows us to suppress bad actors democratically. Downvotes. Sorting content by score. Crowdsourced moderation is built into the architecture of this community.

Let the downvotes do their job and get rid of the bad actors.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The downvotes do nothing. Hell, some instances don't even allow downvotes. And sure, it gets buried, but it's still there. There for eyes to see. Curious eyes that want to see what was so terrible. The same curious eyes that the hate groups depend on for recruitment. No. Delete it. Ban the user. Make it known that that content is NOT acceptable. I'm telling you guys, as someone who grew up surrounded by that shit, you give them an inch, they'll trash the place.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Funny that’s how I feel about censors.