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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What if you just measure the ambient particles

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

idk, I'm not a quantum physicist. I'm just asking theoretically

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That doesn't make any sense. Observation is alteration. You cannot see light without absorbing light.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

So would a blind person would also alter the outcome if they were in the position to absorb the light? You can absorb the light without seeing it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Then you are measuring something with matter still and it then affects it. Literally causing interactions to measure means altering it's state even at a nonchalant glance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

hmm, I can get how that might cause the measured item to say, change its velocity, but not how that would cause a wave to collapse into a single point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Right but how do you measure the things around what you are trying to measure and get any data from it unless you expect them to also interact with the things you are measuring.

You have to have an interaction to measure even if you are measuring the outcome and steps away from the original interaction.

It's like measuring dark matter where the easiest way to prove it's existence was to wait and capture the decay of it but not the particle itself. But that means the particle was already gone when we got the measurements to prove it was there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It's not a physical wave. A wavefunction describes how likely something is to have different values for one of its properties. For example, an electron might have a wavefunction describing how likely it is to be in different locations. By observing if it actually is in a certain location or not, you force the electron to decide where it is concretely, "collapsing" the probability function into one value (its newly decided location).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Measuring is a loaded misnomer. Interacting with a particle changes what the particle is doing. There is no such thing as nondestructive testing in quantum physics.

Measuring just happens to be something we do a lot which necessarily causes particle interactions.