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To the people who prefer the y axis be inverted I have one question: who hurt you?
Elder millennials and cooler gen x's grew up on Goldeneye 64, y axis inverted
I got familiar with it from TimeSplitters 2, but that’s basically same devs.
Edit: not sure how the control schemes of the FPS sections in Banjo Tooie were, but I could have acquainted myself with it back then. I guess it’s similar due to being a Rare game.
That game is a top 10 all time fun game.
It’s awesome!
I’m in this comment and I don’t know if I like it.
But holy shit I guess you nailed the source of my inverted controller usage because I played the crap out of that with my little brother.
Don't forget pilot wings!
It was Starfox.
Grew up dreaming of being a pilot. Pull back to yaw up.
First games that were flight sims did so. So now it’s just what I’m used to.
Yeah it was always a reference to flight controls. But in the 80s and 90s, even 1st persons would take that approach.
At some point it was inverted by default.
First 3D (or pseudo-3d) games I played were flying games. So stick back to look up/climb became ingrained in my motor skills.
Throw in some Golden Eye and Time Splitters and there is no going back.
Think of the stock on the controller as a head with your hand on top. If you pull the hand back, in what direction does the eyes move?
Eh, that would also mean that X is inverted as well. I can't play inverted X.
Except you're wrong. The controller is on the BACK of the head, you know, where you're looking. So both x and y should be inverted. Anything else makes 0 sense
Well the analogy doesn't perfectly work with pad controllers.
It does work with flight sticks. Vertical controls pitch (up and down), horizontal controls roll (tilt left and right). You've got pedals/stick twist for yaw (turn to right or left) or the hat/thumb stick for view angle change.
No I think it does work perfectly with controllers. It's why Mario 64 had lakitu as a metaphor and had the correct, inverted x and y controls.
Or instead of complex mental gymnastics, just up = up, down = down.
You're moving the viewport, not the crosshair.
There is no up. There is left, right, forward, and back.
Pushing your head forward points it at the floor. Pulling it back makes you look up
Wait. Are you not supposed to?
Duke3D. That's where it started.
Played a bunch of flight simulators and similar games back in the day. If it's universally considered the best way to steer a goddamn aircraft safely and accurately, who am I to argue.
I know someone who had both X and Y inverted, on his computer mouse.
The original Rainbow Six had it like that by default and now 25 years later it’s here to stay.
Wing Commander, Commanche, MS Flight Simulator, and various other games
I used to hate inverted as a kid, but a few games had them by default and my brain switched and could never go back. I'm playing Outer Wilds now and I had to immediately switch it.