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US senators have urged the DOJ to probe Apple's alleged anti-competitive conduct against Beeper.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They can reverse engineer it and run it as their own service with their own infrastructure. But that doesn't mean they can then start accessing Apple's implementation and using Apple's resources without permission.

[–] darkevilmac 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If they function identically to a normal client though what's the issue? As an example Google indexes pages all over the web without the explicit permission of those websites, that requires them to read the page and make requests to someone else's infrastructure.

What part exactly here is illegal?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The websites in question getting crawled and indexed are generally open and available for anyone to browse. There are parts of the web that are gated off and require authentication and authorization to access. Imagine now that Google found a way to authenticate as you with your bank's website and index your online banking portal. (It's not a perfect analogy to what's happening with Beeper, but I'm just using the one you laid out.)

In a similar way, iMessage as a service requires authentication and authorization to use. It is not open for anyone to use. Beeper is doing something to spoof or otherwise fool Apple into giving the client access. This is the part that's illegal. And potentially not just "file a lawsuit" illegal but criminally so.

It doesn't really matter why Apple doesn't want Beeper or anyone else to use it. The fact that they simply don't is all that matters.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What do you think an API is? They have reverse engineered the iMessage API and are using that to connect to the iMessage servers. It is literally impossible to do as you suggest (use entirely their own resources) because iMessage is centralized and cannot federate with any other server, even if one did exist.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They are saying they could run their own competing iMessage.

Of course that’s not Beeper’s goal. But in this conversation, that was the point being made.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

They have reverse engineered the iMessage API

Yes, this part is legal and fine.

and are using that to connect to the iMessage servers.

This is not allowed because Apple doesn't want to allow it. They own the infrastructure serving the API, they get to determine who is authorized to use it. They can block whoever they want. And technically speaking, using it in an unauthorized manner could even rise to the level of a criminal violation of the CFAA.

It is literally impossible to do as you suggest (use entirely their own resources) because iMessage is centralized and cannot federate with any other server, even if one did exist.

Partially correct. It is not impossible to do as I suggested, because I never suggested that they should have interoperability with iMessage.