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Sure - but if Joe's got enough energy to fuck around in a chocolate factory with his grandson, then he's got enough energy to work part-time to help his desperately poor family
Have you ever actually met someone that old? Mustering up a whole day's worth of energy can take them out for the rest of the month.
Yeah, I have - and the ones that could walk were constantly having to sit down, not doing bloody jigs like Joe did upon learning about the Golden Ticket.
Grandpa Joe has significantly more energy than his peers, that much I can tell - and the fact he let his poor family suffer rather than put that energy to use working even just a day a week is part of why I hate Grandpa Joe
My grandma could have mustered a single jig and one day of walking in her 90s. She definitely would not have been able to work a part time job. I think you just want an excuse to hate grandpa Joe, so you invent one even though on proper scrutiny it doesn't hold up to reality. But you don't need to justify hating someone, you're allowed to just hate them for no good reason. Instead of throwing all old people under the bus for the sake of hating Joe, just let the hate flow through you without needing to find a reason for it.
I have already prefaced in another reply that this Grandpa Joe hate isn't that serious, it's poking fun at the fact he goes from bed-bound to suddenly facing and jiving as though it were nothing...
Having said that, even if he couldn't work part time, if he isn't at least as bed-bound as the others he could at least help out around the house so Mum can go work so they don't have to eat cabbage soup every night, rather than dedicating her life to caring for a bed's worth of old people.
I'm aware, my grandpa Joe defence isn't that serious either lol.
Maybe he offered to help but the family said no? I know my grandma sometimes grumbled about her kids and grandkids never letting her do anything cause they were always like "it's alright grandma we can do it for you". Maybe grandpa Joe was being forced to stay in bed by rhe family because of his age and he saw the factory trip as a chance to finally get out of bed for a day? Perhaps poor grandpa Joe is simply misunderstood.
You can really help a household by doing very little. Even if all you are capable of is cleaning the table once a day that is just one more thing no one else has to do. My youngest child can now finally put her own clothing away if I put it in her room. Which saves me about 30 minutes or so a week. Basically yes you are right. Joe doesn't have to be pulling a plow but if he can do literally anything, which he can, he can help.
So fuck him and fuck the transformative power of dreams bullshit
You do understand that the film isn’t a documentary? It’s a family film. You’d be the guy complaining that in episode 2F09, when Itchy plays Scratchy’s skeleton as a xylophone, he strikes the same rib in succession yet produces two clearly different notes.
Edit: Actually, there's a lot more to say. Your comment is simply wrong on every point it makes.
Firstly, you mischaracterise the elderly, maybe from a myopic view based on personal anecdotes. People who live active lives before retirement tend to live relatively active lives after retirement. The reason they may choose to live more cautious lifestyles is because mundane injuries for a young person can spell a death sentence for the elderly. In over 65s, a simple fall can lead to a hip fracture, which has a one-year mortality rate of 21% if the patient undergoes surgery; this mortality rate rises to 70% if they do not undergo surgery.
Secondly, if you earnestly believe that a 90 year old, over 20 years into retirement, needs to polish their work boots, get on their bike, and find work to support their family, then you're either mentally deficient, a child with zero experience of the job market, or a tory. Either way, you're detached from reality. Forgetting the fact that a retiree has earned their retirement, a company is simply less likely to take on an over 65, either through some judgment of their ability or out of fear that a common workplace slip can turn into a death.
You really need to get some perspective on how the world works, and maybe a hobby that isn't making ill-informed ultra-literalised criticisms of family films. Next you'll be saying that Grandpa Joe should learn to code so he can remote hustle from his bed.
Bloody heck mate, lighten up a bit. Everyone hating on Grandpa Joe is aware it's a family film, it's just a rather conspicuous plot-hole that he went from not moving for years to prancing and dancing about.
But if you're going to be a pain in the arse about it...
Yeah, but we know Grandpa Joe has supppsedly been bed-bound like the other elders for years. He may have once lived an active lifestyle, but he ain't active now, and (especially when you're older) muscle you don't use disappears fast.
Damn, you really throwing the word Tory around like that... I'm firmly working class, I know struggle - and I do think that if you're barely hanging onto existence like Charlie's family is, then anyone who can be working should be for the sake of your family to improve life even just a little bit.
It absolutely is cruel to suggest that someone retired should have to pick up their cap, but life can be cruel like that, and I think you're detatched from reality acting like that sort of thing never happens - like nobody ever needs to come out of retirement for any reason ever.
True, but that doesn't stop Grandpa Joe from trying - sure beats watching your family living destitute while you live bed-bound for years full well knowing you don't need to be
Again, chill the fuck out mate, it's way more light-hearted than you're being. Everyone's aware it's a family film.
Having said that, my perspective is that the world can be cruel at times, and that Grandpa Joe should be doing his part to help his destitute family rather than lying in bed if he's got enough energy to start dancing and singing, and fucking around with his Grandson in a chocolate factory - I think you're out of touch if you think everybody hits 65 and suddenly s financially set for the rest of their lives.
Also, certainly given the original film's setting, I suspect that neither of those would've been a thing yet.
If it walks like a Tory, talks like a Tory, and regurgitates bootstraps rhetoric like a Tory...
Everyone from a poor or working class family understands that poverty isn't something you can graft your way out of. Also, a man described as "96 and a half" and the most fragile among Charlie's grandparents, managed to muster the energy to celebrate his grandson winning a prize and then accompanied him on a half day tour round a local factory. If you think that's sufficient to classify him as work capable, then you've got a bright future conducting disability assessments for the DWP.
Just to preface this, the fuck Grandpa Joe train is meant to be a light-hearted thing, I'm only taking it seriously because other people are refuting it like it's a serious thing. Anyways...
Talks like a Tory, really now?
I ain't talking about bootstraps or breaking out of debt, that ain't easy at all. I'm talking about making enough extra money that maybe your family don't have to have cabbage soup every night - a little luxury, not a lot to ask for.
I understand that too, as I said I ain't on about that, and I think you've misunderstood me thinking I am.
Again, from the 90 year olds I know, that jig is more energy than I've ever seen displayed from them, especially someone that was supposedly bed-bound.
And if he really is the most fragile, why aren't the others helping out around the house at the very least so Mum can go work, rather than dedicate her life caring for an entire double bed's worth of old people on top of her family living on one person's wage?
I really don't know, lad. Why don't you dig up Roald and ask why his lighthearted kids book doesn't stand up to your overanalysis? He's not up to much; he's just been grave-ridden for 30 years.
Again, you're missing the point of the joke of hating Grandpa Joe.
Literally everyone making the joke is aware of the fact this is a family friendly film coming from a children's book.
The premise is if you took the situation seriously, Grandpa Joe comes out looking a bit of an asshole.
Why are you even in this thread if you're just gonna shoot the fun down?
I’m not missing the point at all, actually. You may notice I’m not up and down this thread shooting down everyone calling him a coke fingered nonce because that’s comical. What isn’t comical is your particular overanalysis which is outright wrong. A joking comment that he’s a workshy scrounger is a funny over-exaggeration. An analysis of how a 90 year old should be grafting to put food on the table is neither funny or correct.
I'm only taking this as seriously as I am because other people in this particular reply thread are - and then there's you going "iT's A cHiLd'S moViE sO nOnE oF tHiS mAtTeRs" - like let people have their fun man.
You want to prove you missed the joke - look at the meme the OP made, it literally saying Grandpa Joe stayed in bed whole his family were broke.
I'm going to use smaller words so you can keep up: I understand the point of the meme. I understand that people are having fun. I'm having my own fun in poking at the one moron who's coming to a fun thread with actual Tory arguments and getting tilted when he gets called out.
No, a 90 year old should not be forced to work to help their family. No, there isn't a logical argument in favour of it. You're just making Tory arguments, and I'm poking fun at you.
Again, I'm only taking this seriously because I'm having it thrown back seriously....
Joe shouldn't be forced to work to help his family put food on the table - how this family doesn't qualify for some kind of substantial support given the Mum is caring for so many old folks is downright criminal...
But in the reality of their situation, they're stuck living on the Dad's meager wage, with the Mum as a fulltime carer, and a bed of old people in addition to a young child.
It's a shite situation with no real way out, but it could be at least a little bit better with Joe helping out in some way or another - whether that be working himself or even just helping around the house so Mum can go work to help out.
That's the reality of struggle, when your family is struggling just to stay afloat, everyone who can has to help keep the ship going, even those who shouldn't really have to. If you think that's a Tory argument, I really don't know what to tell you
Edit: Also, this is the last I'll be chatting on this thread - so I'll probably read what you write, but don't expect any replies
You do have a point. My wife has a patient who is 95 and the fact that she can walk to the store, buy eggs, bring them home, and cook them is very impressive.
That's not really how that works
One day of basically just walking around like a tourist isn't quite the same as a 9-5 at even low intensity jobs
Also, he's probably not able to find work, it's the 60s-70s in the UK and Joe only ever worked at Wonka's, odds are he doesn't have the qualifications to work for anyone else, and anyone he might be able to are probably covered by the VERY intense NC order Wonka probably made his workers sign after the breach of his IP.
In the United Kingdom, and therefore Wales, where Roald Dahl is from had an old age pension for all of Dahl's life. So I don't think forcing old people to work to death is the point. Blaming old pension accessible people for not working is the same as blaming children for not working in my opinion.
They've probably worked all their life and paid taxes for it. They deserve the rest.