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It feels like people are a lot nicer here than on Twitter and Reddit, and even when people disagree, it's generally civil and not an all-out flame war. Also, there's no algorithm promoting outrage all the time.

For me, the anticipation of toxicity was a huge deterrent for me ever participating in real discussions, but here I feel like I can be myself.

I think it's healthier this way.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I feel like there isn't a "hive mind" on Lemmy like there was/is on Reddit. Even if just a few folks disagreed with your opinion on Reddit, everyone else felt like they HAD to downvote it too and then the next thing you know, you're being downvoted to oblivion. Here, it seems that folks actually respect your opinion whether or not they agree with it; and while you may get a few downvotes or more, people aren't afraid of upvoting your comment either.

Such a different vibe and I'm here for it!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think a hive mind will develop, just based on the nature of the format. In any community there will be prevailing opinions that are upvoted and dissenting opinions that are downvoted. People are still settling down and searching for their specific corners to camp in, which is why you're probably seeing more variety for the time being.

Plus Beehaw exists, so there's your hive mind right there. Get it? Cause they're bee themed? Beehive?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is Beehaw like Lemmy? The world feels like it has exploded since Reddit died (imo), I have been never on the niche parts of the internet but this is so interesting and i like it. So is Beehaw worth checking out?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

He was joking. Hive mind and Bee -haw. Bees make hive. Source: I do dad jokes too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand the joke lmao, I'm just asking in all honesty.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Beehaw is a Lemmy instance that defederated from a couple of large instances. Lemmy.world being one of them

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And they all act like a hive mind, massive circle jerk?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This happened a few weeks ago when a bunch of people from reddit first started hopping over. They gave some reasons for why they were doing it. Like how they want to curate a specific type of instance, keep it smaller, they don't want people that have very different opinions from them because they want a safe space, moderating was becoming a challenge. Some people from other instances were saying that Beehaw seems like they want a walled garden. It's too bad because they had some good communities.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So we are just gonna let them do their thing? This sounds like a good opportunity for a sabotage multi-instance lemmy war

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, they can do their thing. If you want to interact with their content you can make an account with them (if they let you in) or make an account on an instance that is still federated with them. If you go to beehaw.org, scroll down to instances at the very bottom right of the screen, then you can scroll the complete list of all federated and blocked instances.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, now I'm beginning to get the zest of it. So any federated instance will let me post comment or view any instance that it's federated wth. Doesn't this allow for total isolation of some messed-up instances like the NSFW subreddits

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, I guess it could if every single Lemmy instance defederated them or vice versa. I'm still learning too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Huh, do we know how this connection works? Like, if I don't wanna be in a federation of instances can I be my own separate instance or can anyone federated anyone

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, that’s possible. You can create a totally private instance (where nobody who’s not a member can even see posts), or just an independent instance that isn’t federated with anyone. I personally don’t know anything else - I’m just paraphrasing someone more knowledgeable.

As for Beehaw, it’s the instance I use most. When they defederated, the mods gave trolls as the biggest reason (they are very transparent about their decision making, which I appreciate). They were simply overwhelmed with mod duties. There weren’t a lot of people running Beehaw (I don’t know if that’s changed in the last few weeks), and they defederated from the instances that most of the moderating workload came from. They said that defederating was a last resort, and hoped they’d be able to re-federate some day. We’ll see.

They are very serious about maintaining a civil atmosphere, but they’re not “word police”. Disagreements are fine as long as you’re not a dick about it. It’s not about what you say, so much as how you say it. If you’re not a rude, nasty person, it feels like any other instance. I’d recommend giving it a try!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Sounds cool, thanks for the insight!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure anyone can create their own instance. Not sure how to go about that. I'm not interested in doing it so I haven't read about it. There are a lot of posts that have info about how all of this stuff works. [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using an URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I’m reluctant to bring over the reddit habit of saying “good bot”, but seriously, this is a good bot. Many of us don’t know the “tricks” of the Lemmyverse yet.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You could compare it to some subreddits that were private long before the API debacle.

They wanted to curate a very specific community (subreddit) and didn't want folks with differing opinions inside.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, makes sense now. I never got into one so never thought about them much

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Aw come on, I thought I had found the only place where I could get jerked but nope

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does anyone else feel like we're kinda waiting for the other shoe to drop though?

We did see a bit of drama that resulted in various instances being defederated, and even if Lemmy is more resistant to corporate bullshit there are some people and groups out there whose sole purpose seems to be ensuring that nobody else can have nice things.

I'm hoping that the people who contributed fine work towards tools for Reddit will be willing to help improve Lemmy as well, but as the same time users need to understand that while the experience is very "Reddit-like" there are some serious differences in technology and implementation that are going to lead to interesting and potentially unforeseen bumps in the road for the future

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yea, I think as soon as there's enough people, like where you feel you can no longer write a multi paragraph comment, is when it will have dropped.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Downvoting here seems to be used as it is meant to: to filter out noise.

I love the vibe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Just you wait m8.