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ignoring bodily autonomy and the right for your OWN CHILD to choose what their penis will look like for a medical procedure that only should be used when a phimosis diagnosis has been made or when you join specific religions (and not for "so he looks like dad" or "my religions imaginary friend collects foreskins of infants")
When my son (2) was born there was decent pressure to circumcise, we were asked leading up to birth, before birth at hospital many times, and many times after.
I'm sure there's plenty of single mothers who don't know any better and just eventually agree. I've been told hospitals sell the cut off for woman's make up stuff
I don't know where you're from, but in the US, hospitals are strictly forbidden from doing anything with biological material post-procedure except 1) biopsy, 2) disposing it in accordance with biohazard containment practices, or 3) limited instances of release to the patient (think kidney stone).
Nobody is selling infants foeskins for makeup. That's fucking stupid conspiracy bullshit.
But do they charge for the procedure?
https://www.allohealth.care/healthfeed/sexual-anatomy/do-hospitals-sell-foreskin
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hnzg5a/what_do_you_think_hospitals_do_with_foreskins/
Doesn't seem like bullshit, however it is used for more than make up, like skin grafts and bio science. Apparently Oprah Famously said she uses a cream with foreskin in it
Ah, let's see... An SEO article from a clinic in India about the possibilities of what can be done (with absolutely zero citations), a reddit thread and the Coup de Grace, Oprah, who famously gave us "Dr." Oz. I'm gonna go ahead and not choose to give a bunch of credibility to those sources.
It's kind of you to worry about the aesthetics of your child's penis, which studies have shown that it improves body image and sexual satisfaction anyways. You should really leave the medical suggestions to the professionals. There's so much anti-science in this thread going on, I'd assume that I was in a crazy 5G anti vax conspiracy bullshit forum. What is it about medical scientific evidence that makes people so upset? All I'm doing is repeating and sharing established medical studies after all, but apparently that makes people a little emotional. Kind of like vaccinations!
this is NOT about aesthetics. this is about robbing a child of a deeply personal choice.
Suppose we should just not name children until they're old enough to choose their own name too. We're talking about some fuckin skin on the tip of the dick lol. Most will never even know the difference until they go see it in a health class or Google what the differences even look like.
What are the pros and cons here again? The cons of the situation is that they might end up wanting some extra skin at the tip of the dick for whatever reason. The pros is health and self confidence improvement. The pros outweigh the cons here, it's a no brainer. It's a simple medical procedure has been factually proven to improve health and self confidence, and it's by far the safest to perform on a new born.
This is the most idiotic thing I've ever read. They can change their name if they want to. How old they have to be is different from country to country.
Equating naming a child with cutting off stuff from their bodies is fucking stupid.
I had to laugh when they used naming a child as an example. What a dipshit.
thanks for writing down what i was thinking lol
like @[email protected] said: names can be changed. and if your confidence is based on a mutilated sexual organ, then go cut yourself as much as you like, but leave others alone. don't do something irreversible to someone without their consent.
i dont like my given birth name, i could legally change if it i please. In fact i don't like the concept of legal names much at all, but thats a different story.
Lets throw in some similar cases here. Ear lobes, why not just chop those off at birth? They dangle around weirdly and are places to put jewelry. Which can cause injury.
Ever heard of scarification? It's like a tattoo, but subtractive instead of additive.
You ever heard of penile subincision? You just yeet a massive slit into the bottom of the penis, that leads into the urethra.
Why not just do those things to children upon birth?
Multilating childrens genitals for appearance is pretty fucked up.
That choice should be left to themselves and no one else. Unless absolutely necessary of course.
The supposed benefits are very very small and the majority of the world is doing absolutely fine without removing the foreskin of children.
Maybe go back and read all the text you ignored about the other benefits. Would love to see you link any established peer-reviewed studies that can back up your neanderthal level reading comprehension.
I don't give a fuck about those "benefits" which have miniscule impact and can absolutely be achieved by means other than cutting a baby's foreskin.
Adults can cut their dick off if they want, surely a lot of men would do it if those benefits are so impressive.
Parents should not have the freedom to mutilate their babies because they say so. Only if a doctor recommends it because of an actual disease (phimosis or whatever).
That is basic ethics. Don't make unneeded permanent choices for a baby. If it is a decision that can easily wait until the baby is an adult, it is evil to make it for them.
Honest question, did you read this study before you posted it? The sample size is 37 Turkish men who voluntarily applied for circumcision. Do you not find that sample to be extremely small? Don't you think there would be some inherent bias when assessing the psychological effect in people who had chosen to undergo the procedure? If anything, this study reinforces that circumcision should be left to the individual to choose, rather than having the procedure done against their will as an infant.
That's a study of 30 turkish dudes...