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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How? Is it China? I can't imagine real digitalized census without China level of surveillance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I, uh, happen to be an expert in censuses.

The US of course tries to get everyone to respond, and sends people out to follow up with people who don't respond, such as this sovereign citizen in the original post. (The picture is of the 2020 Census envelope and as such is ~4 years old, by the way.)

Some European countries do an administrative records census, wherein they know who is in the country based on passport control, birth and death records, and so on. These censuses have the (admitted) flaw that someone who is in the country illegally would almost certainly not be counted, but on the flip side they are MUCH cheaper and faster than the US-style census. It's basically just running an SQL query on the database.

Other countries do a mix of the two. Even the US uses administrative records sometimes, if good data is available, and they can't get a response another way.

The US's situation is more complex than many countries, because driver's licenses (which serve as IDs) are issued by the individual states, not the federal government, and relatively few Americans ever get a passport. So, the closest things to a "master list" of people in the US that the government has are things like IRS and Social Security records - but those have flaws, too - for example, they don't count legal visitors.

I do not know what China et al do to complete their censuses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Copy-pasta from my another comment:

In my hellscape there are three main sources of information about who lives in country

Registration in police

They also issue internal pasports
I think foreigners register there too
Their registration is used by election committees
Registration is based on place where you live(permanent for your home and temproary for stuff like hotel, camping site, prison...)

ЗАГС

Civil registration?
They give birth and death certificates
They also keep track of citizenship
And marriages

Census

They knock on doors and write whatever what said by people
They ask foreigners only 7 questions and 33 questions for citizens
If you say you are unicorn mare from Equestria they will write that here lives unicorn mare from Equestria
It is used to get factual information about what people live here
They don't ask pasports or any other document

Participating in census is not mandatory here. If you make census mandatory it will probably be no better than existing beaurocracy and defeats purpose of getting on-ground truth.

I do not know what China et al do to complete their censuses.

I mean for govt to know how much each ring of hell is polulated and who in fact lives there instead of just registered needs either to knock on the door or spy on everyone. Not that I know what China does for their censuses.