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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

28% seems huge, though. Are there any other animals like that? I'm kind of confused how it's that high even with acceptance lol.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Most male dogs hump your leg regardless of who you are

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Male ducks will even do necrophilia with other males.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I get your point, but "most"? I've had 5 male dogs of my own over 40-ish years, and have known or met many, many others and I've never once had my leg humped.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Most (male dogs that hump)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Maybe they don't think you're hot enough /s

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It’s mostly bisexuals. You know like Julius Caesar, Alexander of Macedon, and large swaths of people in cultures where same gender romance or sex is acceptable in certain circumstances so long as you also marry and have children.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Julius Caesar, described by a contemporary as "Every woman's man, and every man's woman"

We stan a bicon in this house

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is there data to back that claim up?

Not arguing but also something I hadn't heard before. That there has been an absolutely massive increase in # of people identifying as bi and that that is the majority of LGBTQ+

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I can’t recall any off the top of my head and it’s definitely anecdotally been my experience as someone who came out about a decade ago and has been a geek about queer history for about that long. Like there are definitely more homosexuals and a lot more open trans people (but trans people are estimated at absolute highest to be 1% of the population, and more realistic high end estimates last I checked are .3%-.5%), but bi folks have been coming out of the woodwork.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Shakespeare too

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes. Bonobos.

Human appear to be about halfway between chimps and bonobos on the primate spectrum. The violence of chimps combined with the fluid sexual social habits of bonobos lol

https://phys.org/news/2019-09-insights-same-sex-sexual-interactions-important.amp

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The article pointed out that the same sex encounters were only high for females, idk if that’s that similar to humans.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

We are the only animal with cultural locks on gender expression. If we didn't have such hang ups about gender norms we would not really notice someone being LGBT. Paradoxically the more regressive and strict people are about gender roles the more people you have that don't fit within those gender roles.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Theres long been a camp that argues the vast majority of people are bisexual (myself included). That's also where pretty much all of the recent growth comes from. Interestingly, most of that comes from bisexual women, while bisexual men consistently self report at levels lower than gay men.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There are lots of men who identify as straight but have sex with other men. So much so that medical literature often uses MSM as a category instead of gay. There’s an entire DL subculture among African American men.

Anywhere you go you can download Grindr and find oodles of guys who are in heterosexual marriages. The stigma is pretty strong, they probably can’t even internally recognize themselves as somewhat bisexual.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This is particularly relevant as it relates to how silly this topic and its reactions are. We absolutely KNOW that the current number is an undercount, and yet it's still really hard for people to grasp that the percentage is that high.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I mean, sexuality is a spectrum. It’s statistically unlikely that a large part of the population is at the exact borders of the spectrum and not even slightly in between.

Especially since afaik physical attraction is just a matter of appearance, and there’s very masculine women or very feminine men.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Part acceptance, part widening the net of what's included in the category.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago