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[–] [email protected] 57 points 7 months ago (20 children)

Not even just a technical security standpoint, why would you put a live camera up when someone else legally owns the feed?

I've had discussions and people claim it's no different because other systems can be hacked and you have a phone with a camera that can be remotely accessed, etc.

But those things are illegal, the people using Ring are knowingly putting up a camera where someone else owns the footage. They aren't hacking, they aren't stealing. In fact, they're letting you borrow the footage anytime you check the camera yourself.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (11 children)

In a way the sketchy off brand seems like a better idea in that case, at least there's not some monolithic entity holding millions of feeds to ask for access to

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

But you don't have to go sketchy off brand. You can get Ubiquiti if you want a really good system, or eufy or reolink if you don't want to muck about with the sysadmin stuff Ubiquiti requires

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I've setup a Ubiquiti system. There are two things to know:

  • For the cost of local storage, you are going to spend several years worth of subscription fees
  • The login is still controlled by Ubiquiti's cloud system, which has had its own problems in the recent past

Now, I think those are acceptable tradeoffs, but I think we should be clear about its limitations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, plenty of options out there. I have a couple cheap Chinese type that aren't plugged in on any regular basis. Neat thing is that the accounts are basically by serial number if I recall from back when I set it up, so with them off my trusted net and the data fed put through a VPN to home base they're functionally ghost cams without a location attached.

Plus they can record to local SD, so if the server goes offline in the future they can work like a dashcam at least.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You can figure out approximate longitude and latitude using shadow angles and time of day/year.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah, but if someone is going to that much effort to track down your feed (assuming it was outdoors to start with) then you're probably under investigation for something.

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