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The best response to "the algorithm" is no algorithm. Sort by easily sortable metadata.
Sorting by date, or by karma formula (aka Hot) are algorithms. The key is that you chose those algorithms and know how they work.
This is the reddit "ackshually" game. Yes, any piece of code that accepts input and produces output could qualify as an "algorithm", but no one, when talking about social media sorting algorithms means "sorted by date". Let's leave that shit on Reddit. I don't want to play that.
I don't know how Hot sorts. But if it's more than just sorting by highest to lowest karma for posts, then I'd argue we should also do away with it.
We should rely solely on simple, transparent ordering
Agree with the first point, disagree with the second. Afaik hot is some mixture of total upvotes, upvote ratio and upvotes recently (trending). And to be honest, I like that. I want to see some very new posts, so new stuff can get upvoted without people having to sort by new. I also want to see stuff many people already upvoted, since it's probably interesting/funny/whatever. I don't want to get rid of all those algorithms, I just want them to be transparent.
My apologies, I phrased that in a shitty way.
No worries. I read my response later and realized I sounded harsher than I meant to, so sorry for that.
All good!
Anyways, I don't want to sound condescending, but thought you might be curious - seeing that Lemmy is open source, I found Lemmy's Hot algorithm in the documentation. A bit more complicated than I thought it was, but the math's pretty straightforward.
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html