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First focusing on AI and now this, already cancelled my donations, do we have a good fork to move to?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (3 children)

To my knowledge, the community donations are just laughably too low to fund a development team of hundreds of devs. The Mozilla Corporation is a subsidiary of the non-profit Mozilla Foundation, so transferring money in that way is possible, they just choose to not do it.

Well, and another aspect is that donations can falter. All it needs is one scandal (whether true/deserved or not). You can't plan with that, and you can't promise hundreds of devs to pay their livelihood on such a basis. You need other, stable sources of income anyways.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago

That's because mozilla foundation never actually taking donation drive seriously.

Let's consider current situation: currently, mozilla corp allocates significant engineering resource to develop revenue-generating services such as pocket, vpn, and now, AI stuff. What if mozilla never need to try to chase revenue, and instead focus on being an actual foundation, funded by grants and donations? Their expense would be significantly lower.

Let's say mozilla able to refocus development back to firefox and retain 250 highly paid engineers, with yearly expense for salary, benefits and other overhead at ~$100 million per year. That's less than 1/4 of search royalties they got from google in 2020. Now put those $300 million extra money into an endowment instead of wasting it on marketing and other revenue-chasing activities, and start to seriously looking into grants and collecting donations like wikimedia foundation, and in a few years mozilla might be able to amass a huge fund to guarantee independent firefox development for years, or even in perpetuity with huge enough endowment.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Why does the firefox browser need a hundred devs?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The list of features modern web browsers have is incomprehensibly huge! Not to mention chrome keep proposing new api all the time, then use them on their products like google meets, then blame firefox for not supporting them when firefox users use those products.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Building anti-features is a lot of work!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Wikipedia gets something like $150 million in donations annually. Firefox absolutely could have done similar numbers back when they had a massive userbase, and it would have given the users a feeling of ownership. Instead they decided to be funded almost entirely by the technology monopolist.