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Similarly, I love when Europeans complain about the Americas having no distinct culture or ancient structures when they kinda killed and burned the ones that existed here for thousands of years.
WTF are you talking about? The Europeans that "killed and burned" the natives mostly stayed, they call themselves Americans now. Look at a map of America at the time of the revolution, and you'll see there was a lot of killing and displacing natives after the USA's independence. Don't blame this on modern day Europeans, blame this on your ancestors (assuming you're american).
Native person here. Europe does not just get to absolve itself from the genocide that happened in North America. By upholding the systems that enacted the colonization in genocide of indigenous folk, the world over, you perpetuate and uphold the harm caused. This is your history, so this is your fault.
I don’t disagree, but I feel like 600 years ago is too close to call them ancestors. Dunno the word, but ancestors makes me think of ancient humans from 7500+ years ago.
Though I do call them European Americans, because just Americans would be the indigenous peoples.
600 years ago is definitely enough to call a people the same people. The sociological, economic and political effects of exploration age barely came to an end even though the empires have been disbanded more than a hundred years ago. Even less of a duration if you consider how late the British Empire quit being an empire in name and somehow still keeps it in some places in practice. Or how French still how heavy sway on a lot of African, South Asian and some island nations.
The first of the new empires, American empire, became a world-dominion just a 2-3 decades ago.
Until the rest of the world get strong enough to worry about having only regional conflicts of interest again, and not at the risk of some global superpower of stolen wealth coming from the other side of the world, peoples will keep being the same people as current ones in the lives of each other.
White people coming in to steal your crates are still the same, only they do through impoverishment and dirt-cheap prices of corporate agency at first, and military later if the former isn't tolerated.
This place was beautiful when we stole it.
We're the ones that turned it into a cesspool of cheeze whiz and strip malls.
We, the descendants of Europeans that is
Who's gonna leave tho'? Nobody. That's who.
Only out of the devil we know. There are better far better countries to be a citizen in, but you have to have an in. They are the happiest in the world according to the world happiness index. We should worship at their ideological altar ror that, instead we villify them as all the right wing curse words that right wingers don't even understand.
I'd think anyone worried about righting the genocide would prioritize getting tfo, not "how can I better myself"
I'm European so I might be biased, but I haven't really heared anyone "complaining about the Americas having no distinct culture or ancient structures".
It's just white Americans trying to shift the blame to Europeans that stayed