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Python is memory safe? Can't you access/address memory with C bindings?

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (18 children)

I'm not a Rust developer (yet), but I understand its strength in this regard as: Rust is statically memory safe by default, and code which isn't statically memory safe must be declared with the unsafe keyword. Whereas C++ has not deprecated C-style pointers, and so a C engineer can easily write unsafe C code that's valid in a C++ compiler, and no declaration of its unsafeness is readily apparent to trigger an audit.

It's nice and all that C++ pioneered a fair number of memory safety techniques like SBRM, but the debate now is about safety by default, not optional bolt-on safety. All agree that the overall process to achieve correct code is paramount, not just the language constructs.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (17 children)

It's also just a huge fallacy. He's saying that people just choose to not write memory safe code, not that writing memory safe code in C/C++ is almost impossible. Just look at NASA's manual for writing safe C++ code. It's insanity. No one except them can write code that's safe and they've stripped out half the language to do so. No matter how hard you try, you're going to let memory bugs through with C/C++, while Rust and other memory safe languages have all but nullified a lot of that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (8 children)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That first link is about a document from 2006, while C++ became a lot safer with C++11 in 2011. It's much easier to write safe C++ now, if you follow current guidelines:

https://isocpp.github.io/CppCoreGuidelines/

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah the standards for safe C++ haven’t changed, no matter how much the language changes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I would say the standard has changed. The current guidelines require you to use features that didn't exist before C++11. C++11 was a huge change and it made C++ a lot nicer. The updates since then have generally been improvements but more incremental than revolutionary.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dude core guidelines is like 2000 pages, C++ is a meme language

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Print from html to PDF in a browser was 708 pages, so maybe half that if printed like a book (less whitespace etc.). About like a Rust textbook. Still a lot I guess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Well I'm old so I need a larger font size

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Seems very reasonable, apart from an arbitrary number of assertions required per function

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