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From the article:

"I know for a fact that Wikipedia operates under a CC BY-SA 4.0 license, which explicitly states that if you're going to use the data, you must give attribution. As far as search engines go, they can get away with it because linking back to a Wikipedia article on the same page as the search results is considered attribution.

But in the case of Brave, not only are they disregarding the license - they're also charging money for the data and then giving third parties "rights" to that data."

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This not exclusive to brave, AI copyright is still not clear. Bing and others like Bard are doing the same.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yeah and I expect it from those companies. I guess I was naive enough to think Brave would be better than this.

But then I didn't know about Eich's homophobia, antivaxx beliefs and basic awfulness either (as mentioned in the link u/Xaeris mentions.)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Honestly I don't care about his political beliefs, and Brave search is the only competitve independent search engine out there, it's genuinely a joy to use. Until AI crawling gets banned they aren't doing anything wrong.

Brave continues to be the best mainstream private browser, backed by actions instead of empty words like Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't think there's anything wrong with selling you the 'rights' to other people's content?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are being sold access to their AI model, not just content. OpenAI is doing the same thing, and until the court bans that, it's legally ok, if you are asking morally, then that differs from person to person, and for companies any competitve edge is worth it.

I personally stopped caring as its going to happen anyway, the only way to stop it is the courts to get involved, as any search engine won't be competitve without AI assists.

And even that isn't clear, we don't know if AI learning is fair use or not, they are many arguments on both side, with big names like the EFF siding with the fair use.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess I am asking morally. I expect this sort of thing from Bing and Google but it surprised me to see a company that is privacy focused basically trampling over someone elses IP to the point they feel they can offer rights to someone elses content and make money from it.

Obviously, this was before I learned what sort of person Eich is. Now I'm not surprised. I guess we all have to decide if something goes against our own principles enough to use/not use something.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's nothing privacy invasive. It's a way to improve their search engine, these hit pieces against brave always get over amplified for no reason.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Privacy invasive or not, it's not right what they're doing and, in my opinion, speaks to their ethics as a company. That in turn leads me to mistrust choices they might make in the future, including regarding privacy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you know that this "I don't care that this person holds bigoted beliefs and thinks that some people shouldn't have rights, they make the good computer program so who cares" attitude is why so many people think that tech guys are reactionary, right?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well I am already used to using software from people who I don't agree with in politics.

We are using one right now, Lemmy's devs are AFAIK tankies, and that doesn't really matter.

Also not all people share your political opinions.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also not all people share your political opinions.

how are you going to call "this group shouldn't have the rights that everyone else has" something as quaint as a "political opinion"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are not the same rights.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you know, it's really funny that every time someone goes "I don't care about 's open political opinions, only that they keep doing/making the thing I want" they invariably end up being some kind of right-winger

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You know it's funny that everytime someone says something you don't like they are immediately right wingers.

I don't even live in the west to have anything to do with left-right politics. And its fine that many don't agree with your view points, aren't the myriad of companies putting LGBTQ flags enough for you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You linked to the Alexandrite app, not lemmy itself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Dunno if you edited it, but now it links to the sidebar rules.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whoops - sorry, fixed it now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Better :) Use "copy URL" not "copy fediverse URL" next time though and it will keep the person in their same instance and they won't have to login.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I guess the crypto stuff along with the ads just made me not at all shocked by this. Not that I think it's a bad browser, since I've had people I tried to explain addons too who found it too confusing so needed an out the box built in solution. But, Firefox continues to be my go to for years and years.