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Snacks and some pipe-weed (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean, one of the more quoted lines in LOTR is a human woman telling the Nazgul Witch King "I am no ... man." The film quote is shorter and more direct but the book still has Eowyn telling the witch kind she isn't a man. So there are men and women but also man is used to describe humans.

[–] Cethin 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Just like regular Earth human English!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

like modern English.

[–] Cethin 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I don't know if you're implying that those haven't been used interchangeably for a very long time or not. Regardless, I'll say it's super old. Man refers to any human. Mankind is humanity. We also say man and woman for gender, which is also super old.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I'm saying that before modern English, we used were and wyf for man and woman.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Modern English is everything from the late 17th century Great Vowel Shift onward. Blame linguists.

[–] Cethin 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah, I hate the word "modern". It's about a 50/50 that it's being used to say "now" or being used in a technical sense, which is referring to something that really isn't modern anymore. I hope everyone has learned their lesson that time moves on past them and not to use "modern" as part of a name for anything. The fact that "post-modern" is often used to describe things that aren't even new anymore makes it even worse.