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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Because humans can have new ideas.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those 'new' ideas can be inputted as a prompt into an AI image generator. Would the output of that satisfy your criteria for OC?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. Every parameter in the LLM, not just the prompt, is or was a new human idea at some point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

And would you say that an idea formed from the combination of multiple old human ideas is not original? If the influence of an existing idea disqualifies it from being original then very little could be considered original. If something additional to existing ideas is needed for originality then that what is that thing which is beyond the capability of an AI?

Personally, I would argue that any new combination of existing ideas is inherently original (i.e. a fresh perspective.)

Talking specifically about image generators (rather than LLMs) which are trained on billions of images - some of which would be widely considered as artwork (old ideas?) and others documentary photographs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How new is a new idea, if it must be formulated in an existing language?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Language is itself invented by humans.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not by me though, or you. Can’t have new ideas 😞

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

"Humans can have new ideas" isn't "humans only have new ideas".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Those are not new ideas. Those are based on persons experiences up to that point. There is nothing magical in human brain that we cannot eventually implement in AI.