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I've enjoyed Mark Rober's videos for a while now. They are fun, touch on accessible topics, and have decent production value. But this recent video isn't sitting right with me


The video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrGENEXocJU

In it, he talks about a few techniques for how to take down "bad guy drones", the problems with each, and then shows off the drone tech by Anduril as a solution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anduril_Industries

Anduril aims to sell the U.S. Department of Defense technology, including artificial intelligence and robotics. Anduril's major products include unmanned aerial systems (UAS), counter-UAS (CUAS), semi-portable autonomous surveillance systems, and networked command and control software.

In the video, the Anduril product is a heavy drone that uses kinetic energy to destroy other drones (by flying into them). Quoting the person in the video:

imagine a children's bowling ball thrown at twice as fast as a major league baseball fastball, that's what it's like getting hit by Anvil


This technology is scary for obvious reasons, especially in the wrong hands. What I also don't like is how Mark Rober's content is aimed at children, and this video includes a large segment advertising the children's products he is selling. Despite that, he is promoting military technology with serious ethical implications.

There's even a section in the video where they show off the Roadrunner, compare it against the patriot missiles, and loosely tie it in to defending against drones. While the Anvil could be used to hurt people, at least it is designed for small flying drones. The Roadrunner is not:

The Roadrunner is a 6 ft (1.8 m)-long twin turbojet-powered delta-winged craft capable of high subsonic speeds and extreme maneuverability. Company officials describe it as somewhere between an autonomous drone and a reusable missile. The basic version can be fitted with modular payloads such as intelligence and reconnaissance sensors. The Roadrunner-M has an explosive warhead to intercept UAS, cruise missiles, and manned aircraft.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I also had this uneasy feeling watching the video. It certainly felt a bit like a cog in the military industrial machine. While the actual content of the video wasn't exactly bad in my opinion, I don't know how I feel about pitching anti-terror or war machines to children through the lens of, "Engineering is cool!" That said, there are many more examples of that pitch out in the world in other forms. I do think Mark could be more careful especially when he is directly promoting a company in the defense industry.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Unfortunately engineering and military have a huge overlap in the US. It's kind of inescapable. I found out recently that Destin from Smarter Every Day also worked for a weapons manufacturer before starting YouTube. These people just don't want to think about the fact that they probably have blood on their hands.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago

I am well aware of this overlap and it doesn't come as a surprise. I perhaps wish more of these creators acknowledged the military industrial complex and addressed what it means for their content and for the world of engineering.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't think Destin's ever been real shy about his connections. Huntsville is basically nothing but NASA and missile companies, and he did a multi-part series where he lived on an active US Navy sub for two days.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

There's a difference between showing off a technological marvel like a nuclear submarine and not really focusing on its applications as a weapon, versus showing off a weapon and being like "it's so cool to kill 'bad guys' with this stuff"

And yeah he probably hasn't been shy about it, I don't watch his videos religiously. I found out during his excellent talk on the Artemis program. IIRC, he mentioned he helped design missile countermeasures, which is pretty tame as military industrial complex goes, but it's still participating in the amelioration of killing machines, which doesn't sit right with me. And he talked about it so nonchalantly, like he hadn't considered that the people at the end of the barrel of the weapons he was helping design obviously were the "bad guys"

I still have a ton of respect for the guy and his educational outreach work, and I don't hold it against him, I just don't get how someone could sleep at night knowing that they helped make weapons more efficient at killing people.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He worked for the military as a missile test engineer, even did an interview with a four star general. The general described the video he was making (the interview i mean) as a weapon

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Damn, never saw that. At least the general was forthcoming about why they do that sort of outreach.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you take a look into the fitness bubble on YouTube you will see military propaganda too. They're often competing against real soldiers/SEALS/whatever to demonstrate how well prepared they're are in the case of war. Back in the subject of engineering, William Osman was also sponsored by the Navy (I think) one time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The US navy did a campaign a few years ago that paid a bunch of youtubers across a wide range of video genres.

Looking from outside the US, it appears pretty weird how deeply ingrained in America's mindset the military is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

The US military spends a shitload of money to be deeply ingrained.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't know how I feel about pitching anti-terror or war machines to children through the lens of, "Engineering is cool!" That said, there are many more examples of that pitch out in the world in other forms.

Kids have been sold military toys since forever. GI Joe, tin soldiers, toy guns, toy armor and swords, model kits of tanks and fighter aircraft...

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago

Kids love to fight, adults realise there are better solutions.