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Tiktok.
You said product, and I mean this legitimately. Not because of meme hate or hating on what is trendy, but because it is and has been a tool of the CCP. This isn't really in question, and it was one of the first large platforms to entirely erase the idea of a timeline and fully devote itself only to a algorithm feed. One that bytedance has put their finger on the scales of many times.
The effect this has is hard to quantify, but the postmortem on it is going to be incredible as we unpack exactly how much this influenced the trends and politics among zoomers, and to what extent.
There's a reason the algorithm is different in China.
This is the part that gets me. In China kids are educational content and are blocked during certain times of the day.
But they said unknown threat. Everyone knows that TikTok is a tool for CCP spying and propaganda, but somehow most of us don't care.
every social/digital media platform is leveraged for spying and propaganda. if you didn't want to be spied on you'd throw your whole damn phone away. it's just the way shit is now. either accept that reality, ignore it, or become a hermit.
Other thing is also bad is not a good argument. You can reduce the amount of spying if you want to.
We're bombarded with propaganda 24/7 already.
StumbleUpon didn't have a timeline. It was just an algorithm.
Yeah but stumbleupon didn't send people down radicalized pipelines. Not all algorithms are bad, some are though.
Have you used TikTok? - it's the only mainstream platform with freedom of speech and mostly free discussion.
Reddit was far, far worse with all the bots, shadow-banning, deleted comments, etc.
I don't think using the term "free speech" in this context is correct since free speech doesn't extend to whether an app or website deletes your comments. Free speech just means the government won't reprimand you.
Tiktok definitely takes things down, and I'd say that algorithm has done more harm than good in how fast it radicalizes people.
"Radicalises" how?
Just because they disagree with you?
It's one of the few free forums, especially that is so large.
Just look at the Twitter files and Reveddit - they're far worse if you don't parrot the line of the US State Department.
The fact that you assume that the reason I used that word is because they disagree with me tells me you arent coming into this discussion with respect, so I'm going to have to-respectfully-decline to elaborate as I'd rather not get into the nuance of this topic with someone who evidently already has their mind made up.
But is it sinophobia? It's no secret that Xi Jinping and the party like to have companies firmly under their thumb. All you have to do is threaten a few execs. Or hell, a good chunk of companies have deference to the party baked into their charter.
This is no secret. Maybe have a little skepticism towards your favored country's claims that any opposition to the government is bigotry towards the people? They use that to maintain control over the population.
Oh? And what about the party's practice of disappearing execs when a company's done something to displease the party? Are other governments not right to be afraid when the CPC exercises that type of control?
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinese-business-tycoons-executives-who-disappeared-public-view-2023-02-21/
Calling Xi Jinping a clown is enough to get arrested. Other times, those corruption allegations are either selectively enforced or made up. It can be hard to tell because China has poor rule of law. That's why Hong Kong had long played an outsized role in the Chinese economy. It is part of the Chinese economy, but before the recent "security" law it had very strong rule of law. And before you misinterpret me, strong rule of law means that the people are governed by clear, well defined laws instead of by either fiat or laws that can be flexed to target damn near anyone.
Eh I disagree about the Sinophobia thing, they're not expressing fear or dislike of Chinese people, they're criticizing the chinese government.
Criticizing an authoritarian government =/= racism. People =/= their government.
In comments I've seen, the person you're responding to has always resisted that distinction when it comes to China, though decidedly less so when wishing collapse upon the US. Speaking of the US, apparently our use of color for advertising is literally worse than the Holocaust!
You know that you could have written a comment that doesn't make you look like a terminally online fucking loser?
++1 TikTok is only political because Americans want to own everyone's data exclusively.