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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Computers are starting to use staggering amounts of electricity. There is a trade-off here between the utility of the tasks they perform and the climate damage caused by generating all the electricity they need. Bitcoin mining is thought to be currently using 2% of America's electricity and seems an especially egregious waste of energy.

Radically diminishing computer's electricity requirements as they become more powerful should be seen as an urgent task.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Aren't modern computers taking way less energy than before per work? We just keep using more of it faster than the energy use decreases?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Yes and yes

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

It has an even larger load in China. The invention of cryptocurrency has been a blight on the environment.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

So the whole chip is a complicated lens, that somehow can perform multiplication using 'analogue computation'.

Arxiv link

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Imo, analog computation is the way forward with this whole AI thing. It seems like a waste to perform calculations bit-by-bit when neural nets are generally okay with "fuzzy math" anyway.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I don't want fuzzy math anywhere near autonomous armed machines. You want ED-209? Because that's how you get ED-209.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

human brains are the epitome of fuzzy math machines

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

And have you seen what we've done with weapons for the entirety of our history?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah so nothing will change

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Well we'd no longer be the dominant life form on the planet, and we'd get dealt a lot of our own medicine. So, quite a lot would change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Uuuh fuzzy results?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

"fuzzy" isn't the right word.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I mean, I personally agree, but the military has already made it clear they don't mind. ED-209 is basically an inevitability at this point.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Idk, maybe. But i think you may have issues with tolerances and reproducibility. With analog and neutral nets your going to have edgecases where some devices will give vastly differing outcomes. For something that's fine but not for others.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Sounds like we're building a true android then.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So first we tricked rocks into doing math, and now we've figured out how to trick glass into doing math? This is truly amazing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We tricked the same rocks we use for doing math into bending light like the glass, and we use that for doing math, yes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Reality is mind boggling sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Digital is also analog.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Automobile analogy: there is no replacement for displacement.... until there is?