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I'm helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because "Linux can't play games" despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can't even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is not harder, windows is just playing find the config toggles with its users. it's like easter all year long.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I get this feeling, but with iOS. Oh, I want to save a picture I found on the internet and message it. It's incredibly unintuitive to me and I feel like a grandma, even though on any other platform it would be easy.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm really surprised at how much people are ripping on Linux here at lemmy. It's completely justified, I agree that Linux still needs some polish in a few areas before it can REPLACE windows, but I would've figured lemmy to be a bit more... I dunno red pilled and biased towards Linux.

I daily Fedora for ALL my games pretty much, save for Metro Redux: Enhanced Edition and SteamVR titles. Games with anticheat that don't work on Linux? I don't play them anymore, if they don't wanna play ball that's fine.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Least offensive linux user

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Meanwhile, I invested a solid 30hrs over 2 weeks of troubleshooting, researching, and getting help from users in order to have 4k120 on Fedora, something that supposedly works for my configuration. And no worky.

I really really wanted 2023 to be the year I finally migrated, but basic functionality being inexplicably broken just isn't it.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Its not that bad but the most time you spend on installation is opting out of services. This takes up like 75% of the install time :D

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People think window is easier because that's what they are used to. If all schools in a city were to suddenly drop windows and switch to linux you would see microsoft coming at them with donations and offering free deals. It already happened more than once.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

This is absolute nonsense. Getting windows up and running is stupid easy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

At that point, I think it's fair to send said family member to Geek Squad and explain that you can't invest any more time in the project.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless you are literally retarded I can't see how you can have that much trouble with windows.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Oh, totally. I've lost count of the times I've helped folks with their computers and most of their problems seem to be from using Windows: "I'm confused about antivirus," "I keep forgetting to check on updates for the program I use so much," "I'm unsure if I'm on the correct site to download an exe file from," "I keep getting ads in my taskbar," "I was going to find a different browser to use but my computer dissuaded me from doing so," and on and on, and I just think "If only you'd simply try Linux."

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I'm a Windows user at home because there are two games that aren't supported on Linux. However I run Linux on a second SSD as i hope to move away from Windows one day.

Windows just works. When I install Linux it all looks great until I start to use it and find small issues. Like my Yubikey doesn't work so I can't get into certain websites. Once I install another app I get that working and then spend an hour trying to get the Bitwarden desktop client to work. I result in a forum post before being told that security keys are not supported by the application and Linux. It's a Windows only feature currently.
Videos in Firefox lag. I've done nothing special with the OS, this is Firefox that is installed with the OS. I'm yet to fix this but also yet to investigate the issue.

Every time I use Linux I first have to fix things to get it working. I've never had this with Windows. I'm sure people will down vote me to hell, with this being a Linux community, but that's just my experience.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

are you trying to do something apecial? windows 11 is a very quick and uninvolved install

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows

Building a PC technically doesn't include OS installation.

Build it, boot your OS of choice from a live USB to verify the hardware all works, then walk away.

I told my friends and family years ago that I will be happy to set them up with a working Linux installation and will support them as needed... but if they want to use Windows they are on their own.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I'm still using Windows on my gaming rig, and Pop on my laptop, and each have their own quirks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm normally a calm guy but anything involving windows makes me so frustrated. The thing doesn't even install without a wifi connection, and once you have been forced by Microsoft to provide your private, sensitive wifi details to their corporate shit cloud, you have like 20 dialog boxes to click where they want to fuck you over as much as possible.

Now after using Linux for so long, I can't even stand the way Microsoft or Google write to us in their services. The language is so incredibly lame.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

write tiny10 to usb
boot usb
15 minute install
windows

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I'd say that stuff like this happens less often on windows, but it's also worse when it does because you have fewer resources to fix problems when you do run into them

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're going to hear a lot of people saying how straight forward Windows is install; I'm avoiding W11 so have my W10 anecdote.

The only way I've ever been able to install W10 is to disconnect every single peripheral except m/kb and one single drive.

Anything else over the years, be it different mobos, HDD,SSD m.2 thingies it's always been the same; anything more than m/kb and one single disk W10 shits the bed.

If you're still struggling, try that.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wiped windows and installed Linux back in 2004 and never looked back.
Now im only forced to use windows in work, constantly asking my work mates how to do this n that on it. I sure they think im sine sort computer illiterate numpty with no clue.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know your struggle. It's not uncommon to experience issues with the Windows installer if the install medium is not created using Microsoft's official Windows installation media creation tool (Use the middle option to download mediacreationtool.exe).

Coming from Linux, I tried writing the Windows .iso directly to a USB drive using dd, this absolutely would not work on any machine for me. Sometimes the install medium would boot, sometimes it wouldn't, but even if it did the installer wouldn't recognize any storage mediums or would fail part way through installing. Using the official media creation tool resolved all the issues I was having.

I do not know why the Windows .iso images do not work on any of my machines, but it sounds like you are experiencing the same issues that I was. Give the official media creation tool a try, hopefully that resolves the issue.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait... You built a computer. Installed an OS on it, one of the easiest OSes to install... And now are having an issue installing steam... And somehow it's the OS' fault?

This is either fake, trying to pirate windows, or your trying to avoid responsibility for not being able to assemble a simple computer. Wtf?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Avoiding expressions like "fucking god", "fucking fuck", "fucking bullshit", would help your argument.

While I agree with the premise, that Windows is indeed more untidy, clunky and counterintuitive than GNOME and KDE Plasma, still it is not harder to install.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Fuck that fucking fuck. Don't you fucking dare to fuck with my fucks!

That being said, OP is obviously an idiot/troll.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Installing Windows is easy, but once something goes wrong, troubleshooting becomes more challenging. You have an error code? Yeah, well, try these 100+ things that are the same things you gotta try with every other error code out there. None of those things worked? Well, reinstall windows that should fix it.

Granted, I have plenty of experience with linux at this point to where I won't stress when something fucks up but ive dealt with my fair share of windows issues as well. The majority of the time, I end up reinstalling windows...

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm gonna doubt this one. I've done several installs of various debian-based distros and a full reinstall of Windows 10 recently, and I feel confident in saying that, to have this much difficulty installing Windows, you would either have to be using a corrupt image or damn near tech illiterate.

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