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I'm helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because "Linux can't play games" despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can't even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

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[–] [email protected] 244 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Can't tell if this is a shitpost or not

[–] [email protected] 119 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's more linux circlejerk or "windows bad" posts in this community than actual useful ones.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Me neither. Linux is my main Operating System but... We can't generalize one Windows experience just like we can't generalize one Linux experience.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Linux users on Lemmy: People who don't run Linux are just bad with computers and shouldn't be using a computer at all!

Also Linux users on Lemmy: Anyone else is unable to install windows from scratch?

😘👌

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It has to be, windows makes it super easy to install so they can get your data faster.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I have found windows is easier to install every time. This is just another windows bad linux good post. Windows has so many issues, but installation is not one of them. Even my 10 year old cousin installs it fine.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 1 year ago (11 children)

People have trouble installing Windows? You enter a license key and click next a couple times.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You missed the part where you either sign in with your Microsoft account or cut your Internet, remove the webcam, fake your own death, and do the secret tap code in the bios to just have the OS without letting Microsoft into your butthole.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Windows 11 doesn't force you do any of that. Just skip the sign in. Your points were valid in 8/10 era but no more.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It depends on the version, but yes, it does. It's especially a problem on prebuilt machines and laptops. It is incredibly annoying to work with in a corporate environment. Our helpdesk tech comes to me with issues related to this probably three times a week. I gave up with work arounds and we just have a throwaway Microsoft account now.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Not true. 11 very much still forces you to use an MS account.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Try doing it on a b650 motherboard that's so new the windows installer doesn't even have the correct ahci drivers

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a skill issue on your behalf.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (17 children)

ROFL windows is the easiest thing ever to install. Same with steam.

Sounds like either you’re terrible with computers or you have some serious hardware issues.

Blaming it solely on windows is a joke.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Windows has it's serious flaws, and I would never willingly go back to it at this point, but the installer is too hard? This sounds like a you-issue rather than a Windows one.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Definitely a skill issue at play here.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

it feels like i'm still in /g/ with these types of posts you went on a tirade about "windows bad, linux (aRcH btW!!!) best" without giving us any relevant information to help you with your "issue", other than the fact that you can game on your linux gaming laptop. you should've told that to your family member to at least try and convince them that gaming on linux is acceptable/good, maybe try to educate them about wine/proton and how performance may not be as good and some minor configurations may be needed, but that you could make it work. But nope. also seriously, i mainly use linux myself, and i know this is a linux community, but we all know that windows "just works". reflash/rewrite the iso, or get another iso. that is my guess as to what you're fucking up

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

This has got to be bait from that user. The third screen is like the keyboard screen. What the heck are they even talking about. 36 hours to still be in the first three screens.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

These "Windows bad" posts are the worst thing in the Linux community. I run Windows on my desktop because Games are just far easier and usually run better, and Windows works perfectly fine.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Games just run on my Linux laptop these days. I stopped checking winehq a long time ago.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like the problem was between the keyboard and chair.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

Bruh if you can't figure out Windows then just give up.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How the fuck does anybody have trouble running Windows these days?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm upvoting this because it's hilarious, but on a serious note, installing windows is so easy my granny could do it.

The only thing, and I assume that's where you struggled, is sometimes the formatting of the hd doesn't want to work. In that case, a quick google will help you out, but also just format it quickly with diskpart and continue the installation.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Do you struggle dressing yourself too? Lol

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Yeah, it's a fricken nightmare... Windows is ok in a well managed corporate setup where all the crap is uninstalled

I bought a laptop recently which came with Windows. I was going to setup dual boot because I need Office365 for work... but in the end I just gave up, deleted windows and installed Ubuntu.

I hear lots of people used to using Windows saying "I tried Linux and couldn't get anything to work"... it's not that I don't believe them, but I really struggle to understand it. Windows is so much worse!

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is trolling or the actual issue is an PEBKAC issue.

Windows has fallen far from grace in my opinion, but it is not the incompetent smoldering trash fire you are describing. You guys are doing something wrong.

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[–] altima_neo 32 points 1 year ago

Lol come on dude it's not that hard.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every day on two machines, I dunno, it's piss-easy. In fact that's my one big argument for Windows ,that stuff that works out of the box.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've used Linux exclusively at home for the last 10 years. We deploy Windows where I work. This is not normal. Despite my disdain for Microsoft, the setup process on Windows is straight forward and easy. It's one of the things Microsoft gets right.

This idea of OS superiority is pointless. Every major OS has things it does better than the others. We should look at those things to improve Linux in areas where it lags behind.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

I thought this would be a post complaining about the usablility of windows as a desktop, not the one thing windows does right...

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@PeterPoopshit this has to be a shitpost this person is either extremely stupid or shitposting. windows install takes 15 mins worst case. no trh install is not great because you sit there for 10 minutes hitting no no no but its not hard

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, it's bad

If you're on the happy path all is well. The smoothest shit ever. If you turn onto the unhappy path.. oh boy. Helpful logs? Useful community posts from SMEs? Meh no.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

What were you dount? The windows 11 install is so simple compared to even the windows 7 one. Where you messing with things to bypass the Microsoft login or something?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I would reccommend you to not install W11, but install W10 instead. It's more stable with all sorts of hardware.

Also this could indicate an issue with the drive you're going to install the OS on. Could you run some checks on the disk itself for failed sectors?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Strange. I install windows 11 at least 3 times a week at work, it takes about 5 mins and is useable out the box.

Perhaps you could try RevoOS

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude windows works like a charm for me unless I start fucking with the drivers I really hope that fixes itself somehow because I do think windows is a pretty decent os and it sucks that it's having that big of an issue

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm all for using Linux, and I'm considering moving my desktop over from Win 10, but I've never had any issues with the install of Windows. If it's any level of modern hardware, it should mostly work out of the box.

These kinds of rants really trip my BS detector, because it's just not that complicated. If you can handle Linux but can't manage to even install Windows, I have a lot of questions.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Which edition are you trying to install? Are you using an up-to-date ISO?
I've only ever used the business edition, and it's never given me any trouble.

  1. Head over to the tools section in the megathread at [email protected]
  2. Grab a clean business editon ISO from one of the listed sources.
  3. Create an installation flash drive using rufus.
  4. Make sure all the legacy CSM crap is disabled in BIOS.
  5. Boot off the flash drive and run the installer.
  6. When you get prompted to sign in with a Microsoft account click "Domain join instead" (or something similar).
  7. Create a normal account but leave the password field blank (to avoid having to enter security questions).
  8. After you finish the setup and get into Windows, hit Ctrl+Alt+Delete and set a password.
  9. (optional) Go into settings and either enter your legally obtained key to activate Windows (it should automagically recombobulate itself into a matching editon) or read through the aforementioned tools section for an alternative 🏴‍☠️
  10. ???
  11. ~~PROFIT~~ You've installed Windows.
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How did you not get a usable Windows desktop in 2 days?! Drivers?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I cant tell if people in this thread are trolls, ultra elite linux shills, or just people incapable of following simple instructions...

Like I get it, windows bad or w/e... But to act like it takes longer than an hour or two to install it, let alone 2 whole fucking days is just asinine.

Imagine having enough of a skill issue that it takes you 2 days to install Windows OS. The OS that idiot proofs itself by literally holding your hand on every option and walks you through itself to install.

Im not even joking, I re-install and have installed windows the past few years multiple times on personal devices for myself and my family and friends and even do it for professional devices and servers for my job. It is brain dead easy, enough that my tech illiterate grandparents managed to re-install it before I could make the drive to meet them and do it for them... I can't take this OP or anyone else seriously if they can manage to install a linux based OS but somehow have 2 days worth of trouble with Windows OS...

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm gathering that you're a bit upset.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I know this is a Linux /c/ but maybe youre just not educated in windows is all. I use Mac windows and Linux and can play games on them all. I don't find any of them hard to use but again I make it a point to use them all so I don't ever have to be apart of the communitys that hate one or the other. I like them all it's fun.

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