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The Reddit Protest Is Finally Over. Reddit Won.::Reddit corporate claims victory over its disgruntled mods as r/aww, r/pics, and r/videos abandon the "John Oliver rule."

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[–] [email protected] 206 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Bullshit. Nobody, or at least very few people, expected Reddit to revert the changes. A protest can be successful even if it doesn't lead to immediate change. I was here on Lemmy long before the API nonsense happened over at Reddit, and the difference over here is night and day. Lemmy has been around for awhile, but until these last few months it couldn't hold a candle to Reddit in terms of content or activity. Maybe it still can't, but now it has enough users to be viable. Reddit might go on like nothing happened, but in the background a competitor has been born.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I migrated from Reddit. Most of the communities I followed would be hours or days between posts (if they were not private). Everything left was just not pleasant.

I am still fumbling around here but for the most part it is has better discussions and people seem less rude.

I do not regret leaving at this time. I am sure my infinitesimal presence or lack there of does not bother Reddit, but it made me feel better.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Less rude? Fuck you.

/s ❤️

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Eat shit pal!

❤️

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yeah, when I have looked at reddit recently I have observed that mostly the conversation is terrible. There is definitely more content than on Lemmy, but I also like talking to people who speak in entire sentences.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

"Posts" and "content" are not the same. Most recent Reddit posts are not content. Few people left, but the ones that left were the content creators and moderators. Reddit, the platform, is dead, and Reddit, the social media, wears its skin.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I think that's a good thing. Less is more, maybe? Dose it really have to be at the scale of reddit? I hope not. Tbh I hope Lemmy becomes bigger for sure but it doesn't need to become the biggest thing. The more alternatives the better!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Thanks. I'm happy for no ads no boys

*no bots

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

For sure. I'm using Lemmy much more than reddit. But it sucks because I really loved Reddit and I still use it to some degree. But when Relay stops working I might just stop altogether. I'm not installing their shitty app.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I've made the switch over and Lemmy feels perfectly viable and improving very quickly especially with the third party app devs working on supporting Lemmy. Reddit won't die but it looks like it'll stagnate, whereas Lemmy has got a brighter future.

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[–] [email protected] 135 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It was to be expected, but I found Lemmy because of everything that happened, uninstalled Reddit, and now use Mastodon and Lemmy as my social media platforms of choice, so it’s a personal win.

Hopefully, as Lemmy continues to thrive, instances hold up to the pressure of growth and we see an influx of content that made Reddit so valuable to users and Reddit corporate alike.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I also found Lemmy because of Reddit's fiasco, and I think its much better. Being able to have so many instances to get stuff from and forge communities offers a lot more freedom.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

+1, I wouldn’t have even considered moving off of Reddit until all the drama that had happened but once it did - and I found out about Lemmy - I’ve been happily more active on here in my communities of interest. Only reason I go back to Reddit these days is to encourage others to give Lemmy a go.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say Lemmy is better but it has great potential. The mobile apps aren't as good as Reddit's third party apps but that's changing. The content we are getting here isn't as good and reddit has its history of content to search through. Lemmy will have its own issues we will have to sort out but it can be done if we work together.

I think a big issue on Lemmy that I'm seeing is people making it to be Reddit-no-corporate when I believe it should be is own unique thing. Since it isn't corporate and thus no ads I think it would be hard to monetize high "karma" accounts so maybe we can get higher quality discussions. But if also seen people trying to create their echo chambers here by demanding defederation when one instance has a problem with a few trolls.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They didn't win, they just didn't fail as badly some had hoped. What was accomplished was spreading out a fair portion of their user base. Maybe not a huge percentage of it, but enough that they don't have the same level of monopoly. People are more aware of other options (and Reddit's flaws), and more will depart in time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And let's face it. Even if they only lost 3% or whatever of their user base to Lemmy, it was definitely the coolest, smartest, best-looking 3%.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

Nobody cares though. The reddit administration has dethroned their own site, it will never gain that back. They're done, even if the site hangs around like a bad smell for a few more years.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The incredible thing about these articles is that they don't make the slight mention of lemmy.

That one linked is a well written summary of what happened, but it's partial if they don't include the migration that happened, even if it wasn't that big.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Now that you've noticed the PR industry, you may realize that basically every article is fawning of its subjects in this way these days

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m here and I have an ad-free, troll-free, wholesome community to engage with on mostly the same topics I followed on Reddit. I declare myself the winner

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reddit won against its own users, the very people it relies on to stay relevant. In doing so, it showed a large number of users they don’t need reddit.

As the Lemmy apps get better, more and more people will check out the ad-free reddit. We can get their content without needing their platform, which is huge.

Reddit won the battle, but will it win the war?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I have never seen so many fight videos and politics on the front page. Reddit has completely lost its sense of humor and is basically a Facebook feed.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really‽ I just checked and many of the small subreddits I used to follow became much less interesting/active if not dead.

Meanwhile, some of the bigger subs became a repost dumping ground of years old posts/images/videos/memes by fairly new accounts (i'm guessing those are bots karma farming).

The fediverse is the much better way IMHO.

In any case, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit have become too toxic to use I will keep away (though, I never had a Facebook nor a Twitter account)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

First I want to say hurray at the interrobang I love seeing them in the wild!

Secondly, I recently started doing research about Electric Vehicles and made another account for reddit to ask questions. I...forgot how much of a difference it was between Reddit and Lemmy when it came to discussion. There's so much aggression on Reddit it's crazy.

I joined a few EV groups on Facebook for the first time in years and it was nasty there too, not to mention my feed was full of shit I didn't even ask for.

I think I'm good here.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

I am not really shocked because the only way to really beat Reddit is by leaving the platform completely as in what many did when Melon Husk took over Twitter. Mass exodus. Express displeasure by voting with your feet and GTFO.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Reddit won at building its own viable competitors like Kbin, Lemmy, and Squabbles and all the users of those platforms also won big from Reddit's hubris. The one thing I know for sure is that they have grown Lemmy by 7000%, and that's nothing to sneeze at.

Time will tell what happens to Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it feels like a biased, paid and made up news for spez's money to try and revive this hole of a website. most of r/all posts are repost bots, as well as comments in them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Sadly, for some they will believe it and feel defeated and return to reddit thinking it's true, and watch as reddit becomes the Facebook/Myspace of this era.

How nice it will be if the IPO is an absolute disaster!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not true. It may be true in r/technology, but reddit hasn't won. It's just that those still on Reddit didn't make it.

We showed that we care, and we showed that we can dump them. Reddit is currently dying. It may be a slow process, but I don't think the enshittification of reddit will stop.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yep, and while Lemmy was rough around the edges when people started looking for alternatives, now there's a glut of great clients and active communities. Reddit only needs one more screw up before the remaining users find a compelling alternative.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I won't really call that a win,

Reddit lost the trust of many users, a non insignificant part of contributors and moderators left, the enshittification of the platform is not going to stop but they lost a big part of what made Reddit great. They damaged their image and popularity.

It's like saying Elon won by trashing Twitter. Sure he does what he wants with it but making your platform less desirable sure isn't a win for the platform.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder how many users and how much traffic they lost in the process.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Real or faked? Because they have tons of bots and paid traffic to make the site look busier than it actually is. Steve figured that out years ago because he's a sociopathic liar with access to venture capital and an IPO to defraud.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They might have won but now that Rif doesn't work anymore I'm testing Lemmy. I've noticed that reddit content is less updated throughough the day so I suppose that some active posters have left.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I bet the "Reddit won" statement is a bit premature. Yes in a sense it pushed forward what they wanted to do kicking out third-party apps and moderators who didn't toe the line. In the end, they kept the traffic but it must be mostly the silent majority of lurkers. I bet a significant chunk of the minority providing content and discussion went away or at least is trying out alternatives and finding a new home in the likes of Lemmy.

Time will tell if Reddit stagnates/declines content-wise.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The last major holdouts in the protest against Reddit’s API pricing relented,

Some small subreddits are still protesting and planning on doing so indefinitely. Others have migrated to Lemmy/Raddle/Squabbles/Etc

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Spez gambled that most mods would give up because they where power whores. He won because he was right.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

News brought to you be [official news side totally not paid by spez]

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nobody is surprised. They strong armed all the mods with integrity off the platform and replaced them with the spineless willing to play the game. Somehow they’ve become even more of a vacuumed echo chamber than they already were, which I’m sure they’re pleased with anyway. But they lost even most legitimate users. I do have a “troll” account that I use to express my true opinions before I’m eventually banned for saying something that goes against the status quo. But it is nice to not have to worry about every comment I ever make getting me downvoted to shit and banned because I said something the hive mind didn’t agree to. Lemmy is my main now, but I also check out Tildes and Hacker News. Glad I found these places instead.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Partly because the majority of the people didn't even know there were 3rd party apps lol. Many people don't even care about the protests. Reddit is too big for it to go down overnight.

The only thing we could do now is build better communities here.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

I dont know what you say, I transitioned to Lemmy 100% and deleted my acc at reddit.

The only super annoying thing is that they get to keep the cake whole and the dog full (my comments by deleting my name and my acc deleted). Which I despite them for that even more now and just make me avoid the platform even more and dis-advertise it.

I would be fully happy if I had my account, changed my comments first to "fuck /u/spez" and then had deleted my account, but I only knew so much. I was naive enough to think they would delete my comments too, since they're My Intellectual Property. Right? They came from my own mind, I took the time to write them, and I deleted them! But no! We will keep them, just delete your name.

And when you google my reddit username, you still get from the google's cache directed to threads with my deleted comments. Fuck you spez. Fuck you.

Time will tell if reddit won. It's not a short-term fight. I deleted my discord a Chinese Tencent's vessel and a product that makes no money but burns money for the sake of gathering data. My Instagram, my Meta account thus my FB too, my WhatsApp, every app that was there just to gather my data or exploit me now or in the future.

I do everything to keep off being fingerprinted. I use platforms that use more and more end-to-end encryption like Matrix. Or at worst Telegram which is not end to end but the best of the worst since my relatives still use it.

Just because you don't see it yet, doesn't mean that a movement against anti-consumer platforms like reddit don't exist. I inform my mom about it, I inform my relatives and friends about it. I move friends and friends move me to safer for the future to use platforms and de-centralized.

A battle may be short, but the war is long.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can moderators on reddit delete the subreddits they moderate?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just If you consider the growth of 7000% of a competitor in the era when many players fight for the attention of the users a victory. Time will tell

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Well yeah because all the people who cared moved to Lemmy or kbin

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