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An online space for the vegans of Lemmy.

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We take for granted that if you engage in this community, you understand that veganism is about the animals. You either are vegan for the animals, or you are not (this is not to say that discussions about climate/environment/health are not allowed, of course)
No omni/carnist apologists. This is not a place where to ask to be hand-holded into veganims. Omnis coddling/backpatting is not tolerated, nor are /r/DebateAVegan-like threads
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Signal Group and Matrix Space for Vegans (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/11732557

Signal Group for Vegans

If you're a vegan, or willing to go vegan, you may join this Signal group.

https://signal.group/#CjQKIEL2AAqK0gGc3Q3MKdzY3yJzuzTg49ZOKuyMKHHkci6yEhDingsMPcJOH7bqsC7esBFg

To prevent spam, I have turned on "Approve new members" option.

If you want a much more active group, you can join the Matrix group.

To join Matrix, visit https://joinmatrix.org/.

To look at all the rooms in Vegan space, visit https://matrix.to/#/#vegan.en:tedomum.net. We have rooms for all types of things, discussing tech, debating etc.

General Room - https://matrix.to/#/#vegan.en.general:tedomum.net

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

There's something I don't get with the vegan philosophy. While myself shifting more and more to vegeterian food and totally get why people go the vegan route, i do not understand why honey is banned from their regime.

Today it's possible to only extract the honey bees have overproduced in special made brood/comb frames and if you respect how they live and DO NOT give them supplement sugar/fructose/succrose or whatever, you do not harm any bees.

In contrary, we can live in harmony where WE can protect them from insects we have introduced (like the asian hornet), giving them a safe home while we try to fix all our other mistakes made all these decades, and they share a bit of their precious nectar.

It's a win/win stituation where we can benefit both.

Mind to give your opinion on that?

Thank you !

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

The most important reason for sure is that honey kills bees and its unlikely as a consumer you will ever be assured the bees dont suffer but also bees dont make honey to be taken and cant consent to such a relationship. The idea that humans can treat animals as a resource and still act in their best interest is a comforting rationalisation to objectify animals into machines to produce for us. After all, the first honey farm would have been small scale but fundamentally treating animals like machines will always lead to their being increasingly exploited to maximise output.

Also, please watch this video about backyard eggs:

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7YFz99OT18k

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7YFz99OT18k

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

I've dealt with the same moral dilemma when I had switched from a vegetarian to a vegan diet. I had continued to consume honey for about six months, a year into my vegan journey, but then I realized two things:

that the core principle of veganism is to no longer exploit any animals, including bees;
that the bulk of available honey in stores does not come from ethical sources.

In most cases, it's not a win-win situation.