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Biden speaks with Netanyahu as tensions rise over the war in Gaza (www.npr.org)

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[+] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I think you are naive if you think so. US military help is about 15% from Israeli military budget.

Plus there is still an issue of Hamas.

In my opinion, Biden’s administration approach to this conflict was and is quite good and balanced.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Biden’s administration approach to this conflict is to tacitly fund a genocide and veto all UN resolutions to end it, all while making weak protests.

Eventually it started shipping token humanitarian aid after several other countries started doing that - but I'm pretty sure it ships less aid for the Palestinians than bombs to be used on them.

Contrast with the US approach to a similar situation in Ethiopia's Tigray province a couple of years back, which involved economic sanctions.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It would not stop Israel. Just imagine if similar attack happened on US. We would retaliate and the UN be dammed. Actually, you do not have to imagine. A smaller attack (as % of US population) on Sept 11 resulted in two wars with popular support at the beginning!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't agree. As well as arms, Israel relies on political support from the US to block UN intervention.

There is growing international appetite for UN intervention in this matter. The African Union is always particularly interested in it, especially South Africa.

Without US military protection of Israel some of the Arab nations would also be interested in military intervention and I wouldn't be surprised if Indonesia (the largest Muslim country in the world) would be as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

UN would never have military intervention in this. Nothing else would stop Israel. They are really angry on Hamas, more so than we were after sept. 11. And US would never press on Israel militarily either, because the president that would, would be impeached the same day.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

You seem to be confusing the fact that the US will not withdraw support from Israel, with the idea that it can't. It can. And the world does have some history of cross-national intervention in high profile genocides.

You have brought up the US response to 11 Sept. This too involved a number of war crimes. It's not a persuasive argument. None of it makes me sympathetic to the genocidaires or to Biden's tacit support of them.

Genocide and human rights abuses against civilians are never an appropriate response to anger at terrorist actions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Why the hell not? The only thing keeping the UN off Israel's back is the US. And by itself Israel has no veto so the UN could actually do something.

Likewise, why do you think a us president that intervened in Israel militarily would get impeached? The presidency is structured so that the president has a lot of leeway in military action, which presidents have used to great effect. E.g. Iraq was horrible and based on a lie but nobody got impeached after

[–] Eyck_of_denesle 7 points 5 months ago

I have seen idf carve the symbol of david on the back of a Palestinian. I didn't see hamas do it. So I will say hamas should exist.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Plus there is still an issue of Hamas.

Say what you want about Hamas but they're much better than the IDF.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

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President Biden spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Monday, their first call in over a month amid rising tensions over the war in Gaza.

National security adviser Jake Sullivan described a "business-like" meeting between two leaders with different perspectives about a proposed military operation on the city of Rafah in southwestern Gaza.

"Gaza's other major cities have largely been destroyed and Israel has not presented us, or the world, with a plan for how or where they would safely move those civilians, let alone feed and house them."

Biden asked Netanyahu to send a team of military and humanitarian officials to Washington to hear U.S. concerns and discuss an alternative strategy.

Sullivan said the meeting would give U.S. officials the opportunity to lay out an alternative approach "that would target key Hamas elements in Rafah and secure the Egypt Gaza border" without the need for a major ground invasion.

"It would lead to more innocent civilian deaths, worsen the already dire humanitarian crisis, deepen the anarchy in Gaza, and further isolate Israel internationally," Sullivan said.

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