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WHY DIDN'T THE GERMANS OVERTHROW LENIN RIGHT AWAY? Asked me.

  1. The question of removing the Bolsheviks from power, immediately after their fulfillment of the task of the Kaiser's General Staff and German intelligence, prompted to the Germans by Parvus - a prominent German Social Democrat of Russian origin, who later became an agent of the Kaiser, was discussed in Berlin in complete seriousness.
  2. Having concluded a separate peace of such a scale of betrayal and humiliation (the "genius" for Zurbarevich-Putin's "Brest Peace") that even "brothers in the revolution" like the SRs recoiled from them, Bolshevism surrendered the country to the Germans, and had to be resigned. Since the Bolsheviks were held solely on German bayonets, and literally and simply by the "favor" of millions of German units standing near St. Petersburg, it was a purely technical question. 3- The Germans themselves were shocked by Lenin's betrayal. As well as the humanity and stupidity of Kerensky towards him. They began to look for a political force with which they could preserve the Brest Peace. For they did not care about the Bolsheviks themselves, of course. 4- They went through absolutely all the options, they re-proposed all the possibilities to all the possible parties. None of them agreed to go for the heinous betrayal of the Motherland.
  3. Then the Germans bet at least on weakening the influence of the Bolsheviks. Not caring at all about the good of Ukraine or Latvia, they actively began to support the separatist forces there. Moreover, even in Estonia the supporters of secession from Russia among the local nationalists were in a complete minority.
  4. As elsewhere, nationalists wanted only broad autonomy, but within Russia after the Constituent Assembly, elections to which took place on the territory of all regions of the then Russia. As all regions recognized its legitimacy.
  5. In Transcaucasia, the socialists (not Bolsheviks) who won the Constituent Assembly simply ruled. Having confirmed the de facto independence of their countries. Why were occupied by the Entente countries, who feared the abolition of Russian victories on the Caucasian front.
  6. Having thus weakened the influence of the Bolsheviks, the Germans took care to preserve their power to save the Separate Peace: without the network of 350 German commandant's offices that performed the function of preserving the power of the Bolshevik putschists, the Bolsheviks would have been swept away.
  7. Having invented hundreds of thousands of "Latvian riflemen" to cover up the participation of the German army in supporting the usurpers (which would have been more than all the Latvians conscripted at that time), the Bolsheviks still carefully conceal this fact.
  8. However, even they could not cover their tracks - the fact of participation of thousands of German soldiers in the suppression of Savinkov's uprising in Yaroslavl (!) - outside the "Brest Peace" zone - the uprising against Lenin's dictatorship - could not be silenced even by the Soviet propaganda. It was on such commandant's offices that they held on. And without them they would have collapsed already in the summer of 1918.
  9. Having strengthened by the fall of 1918, the Bolsheviks spread their subversive work to Europe, to the country that fed them, the Germans. They prepare an armed putsch in Berlin and Kiel.
  10. The German army, fortunately for this country, was not decomposed and destroyed, as in Russia. The Germans themselves had already seen the terror and perfidy of the Bolsheviks: the uprisings of the Reds in the Reich were quickly crushed by military force.
  11. The leaders of Kaiser Germany themselves renounce about the same time publicly all support for the Bolsheviks.
  12. "At the end of October 1918, the German Foreign Ministry for the first time favored breaking relations with the Bolsheviks. The memorandum...declared: "We, who have spoiled our reputation by inventing Bolshevism and letting it loose on the world to the detriment of Russia, must now, ... not lend a helping hand to it, lest we lose Russia's confidence in the future." (Zubov,p. 531.)
  13. As we, the liberals of Russia, honest people, the White Guards, had warned, the Bolsheviks occupied all the "independent countries," establishing there the most brutal regime of national genocide (as in Russia itself - against all its peoples).
  14. Moreover, although having prevented the Bolsheviks from seizing power, their creators in the General Staff of the German Kaiser were horrified to see the demise of Kaiser Germany itself: Wilhelm the Second himself was forced to abdicate.
  15. In the weak Weimar Republic, which was established after him, another Bolshevik party quickly gained power - a party of the same radical socialists, but not of the international, but of the national type. Briefly, the National Socialists of Germany called their party "the party of the Nazis".
  16. Hitler openly admired the system of concentration camps established by Lenin: back in the 1920s he wrote: "these concentration camps of the Bolsheviks we will use for the destruction of anti-people elements.
  17. Mutual friendship and support between Germany and the Bolsheviks blossomed after the treaties at Rappalo in the early 1920s, with secret protocols creating a German army forbidden by Versailles.
  18. Cooperation between the two fraternal socialist parties reached its climax with the Molotov-Ribentropp Pact, the main reason for the outbreak of World War II.
    That's how out of the attempt to save Germany through the separatist peace with the Traitors of the Motherland, the world cataclysms of global scales came out.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago
  1. Mutual friendship and support between Germany and the Bolsheviks blossomed after the treaties at Rappalo in the early 1920s, with secret protocols creating a German army forbidden by Versailles.
  2. Cooperation between the two fraternal socialist parties reached its climax with the Molotov-Ribentropp Pact, the main reason for the outbreak of World War II.
    That's how out of the attempt to save Germany through the separatist peace with the Traitors of the Motherland, the world cataclysms of global scales came out.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

In this context, "other case" can refer to various aspects of historical events related to the relationship between Germany and the Bolsheviks in the early twentieth century. Consider the worst and best case scenarios for such a case:

Worst-case scenario:

  1. Germany's continued support for the Bolsheviks: If Germany had continued to support the Bolsheviks, this could have increased the influence of radical elements in Germany, which would have increased internal conflicts and possibly caused widespread unrest or revolution in the country.

  2. Strengthening Bolshevik power: German support could have helped the Bolsheviks consolidate their power in Russia, which could have led to a further expansion of Soviet influence in Europe and the world, as well as a prolonged period of confrontation and warfare in the region.

  3. Expansion of Bolshevik ideology: Increased Bolshevik influence in Europe could have provoked the growth of radical movements and increased conflict both domestically and internationally.

Best Case Scenario:

  1. German withdrawal of support for the Bolsheviks: If Germany withdrew support for the Bolsheviks, it could weaken the position of Lenin and his supporters, creating conditions for moderate forces or even alternative leaders to revive power in Russia.

  2. Easing conflicts in Europe: Germany's withdrawal of support for the Bolsheviks could help reduce radical movements and conflicts in Europe, which in turn would help stabilize the political situation in the region.

  3. Controlling the spread of Bolshevik ideology: Weakening the influence of Bolshevism could help prevent the spread of radical ideas and reduce international tensions, contributing to a more peaceful development of international relations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

The conclusions from the consideration of possible scenarios in the context of contemporary international politics can be the following:

  1. The importance of balancing foreign relations: Considering the example of Germany's support for the Bolsheviks in the early 20th century emphasizes the importance of balancing foreign relations and recognizing the geopolitical implications of supporting certain political forces.

  2. Awareness of risks and consequences: Historical experience shows that interfering in the internal affairs of other countries and supporting radical regimes can lead to long-term negative consequences both for the country itself and for the region as a whole.

  3. The need for international cooperation and dialogue: Past mistakes and conflicts emphasize the importance of international cooperation, dialogue, and the search for compromise to prevent possible conflicts and mitigate tensions in international relations.

  4. ** Lessons from history:** Analyzing historical events provides lessons for contemporary international politics, helping to make more informed and informed decisions on the world stage.

Overall, considering historical scenarios in the context of contemporary international politics emphasizes the importance of preventing support for radical forces, being aware of geopolitical risks, and increasing international cooperation to ensure peace and stability at the global level.