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[–] [email protected] 303 points 7 months ago (3 children)

One thing LotR does very well: lets men show emotions that aren't anger. Frodo smiles, shouts Gandalf's name excitedly, cracks a joke with him, and gives him a hug. That's how you know they're old friends.

[–] [email protected] 106 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I can only tell if men are friends if they share a bicep-flexed hand clasp.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 7 months ago

You son of a bitch! 🤝💪

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They need to shoulder bump too, otherwise they could just be former colleagues or perhaps two men who met for the first time yesterday.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

And a solemn nod that sums up everything they both experienced in the 10 years since they last saw each other.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Go back, Sam! I'm going to Mordor alone.
Of course you are. And I'm coming with you!

It always makes me tear up. Fantastic films.

Conversely, the worst film I've seen in recent years must be the third(?) fantastic beasts film. I still have no clue what actually happened or what it was trying to tell. It was such a jumbled mess, and them changing out the actor of the main villain for the third time didn't help much.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah, if made in last 10 years, they might have turned Aragorn into some kind of Conan the Barbarian ripoff. Not necessarily, for example, RDJ’s Iron Man has a lot of complex emotions and nice arc. But, they could. I mean, look at Galadriel in Rings of Power.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Iron man came out it 2008!

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 7 months ago (14 children)

One thing I've noticed with newer movies is they do a lot more "tell, don't show" than old movies.

For example, compare the live action Disney Cinderella to the original animated version. The live action version is mostly a voiceover telling the story of Cinderella. They literally say "Her stepsisters weren't very good at art or music" and then have a scene showing them being bad at art and music. The animated version spent the first 20 minutes or so like a Tom & Jerry cartoon.

And this is across movies. I watched Predator recently and there wasn't a lot of exposition about how they're there to fight communists or whatever. You pick that up in snippets of dialog in between the action.

It really does feel like movies are dumbing down.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

One thing I've noticed with newer movies is they do a lot more "tell, don't show" than old movies.

Main character seeing old friend: Well if it isn't my old friend Daniel, we used to roam these streets as kids, I used to have dinner at your house every day, you were like my brother, I would have done anything for you, I haven't seen you since our other old friend Jake died mysteriously, remember when we used to play videogames all night and made that life long pact that if "HE" returns we will do what it takes to send him back to the world where he emerged from when we were kids and lived right next door to each other, our mothers were best friends until the incident but they never stopped us from being life long best friends forever, we used to play in the streets all night, me you Daniel and Chris, the rat Pac they called us, best friends for life.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I feel like Dune was a good outlier to this. It's the only movie I've seen in theater in the last few years and I really enjoyed not having everything explained to me

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (8 children)

But Lord of the rings is a modern movie?

[–] Triple_B 174 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Is a movie that came out 23 years ago still modern?

[–] [email protected] 229 points 7 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago

Yes, the word we are searching for is contemporary. Technically all films are modern, but not contemporary. Though modern has expanded definition to include it generally as well but I like to explore language :)

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I mean it was filmed 25 years ago, I guess it depends on your definition of 'modern'

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago

Made in the current millennium.

Oh fuck.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Quarter of a century ago

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

What do you mean? Of course it isn't a modern movie, it was filmed during the Third Age.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You know what pals, I think it might just have been a good movie

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[–] tok 57 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Gandalf's actor really helps.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sir Ian Mckellen is great, I love that him and Patrick Stewart and good friends as well.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Howard Shore is the answer

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is an answer I'm not seeing here enough. The score for LotR just FORCES you to feel the feelings. Don't wanna be happy? Too bad, we're in the Shire bitch.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think the biggest reason is that the actors were allowed to act together. Modern movies use so many digital effects that actors aren't even on set together sometimes. It's hard to have the same emotions looking at a green screen and a guy in a morph suit.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Just for the first one, right? I remember Ian Mckellen had a breakdown on set because he was sitting in front of the table at Bag End with nothing around him but green screen and was struggling without any other actors.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 7 months ago

IIRC that was on the set of one of the Hobbit movies.

The Lord of the Rings was shot mostly using practical effects.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 7 months ago

Show, don't tell

It works wonders

[–] [email protected] 41 points 7 months ago (1 children)

the problem is that a lot of modern shows/movies spend 2 hours explaining a characters backstory before you give a shit. there’s also a lot of “tell, don’t show” going on

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Execs thinking everyone's as vacant as they are.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's worth noting that the Lord of the Rings in book form is very long because it goes into so much depth about each character's history. One of the things that the author intentionally did was world building. If you wanted to get the whole plot line in, you could do so in a third the length.

So then when it was adapted to movie format, you had three things going for it. First, a lot of people read the books and loved them, second, the cast and crew had a lot to work with, and third, there was ample budget.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (6 children)

This is how I felt when I tried to watch Rogue One. It's part of one of my favorite franchises yet it is also an entire feature length film without one single character in it who I give a shit about.

It's maddening.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago (9 children)

Rogue One was better than most of the drivel Disney has put out. Thank god there were finally some new characters. anitnal revolves around the same 3 fucking families.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

I actually did enjoy Andor a lot. That was why I tried watching Rogue One again, since I thought I might like it better with the added context, but I still just got bored

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They'd rather have the protagonist run around screaming like a moron for 20 minutes for comedic effect instead instead of putting any effort into developing characters

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They are the archetypes all other fantasy archetypes are based on. Of course you know them.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

a lot more care was taken with movie production in general in prior years than now and it shows

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Eh, I think it's more related to survivorship bias of the movies we remember. Most movies from decades ago were utter trash then too, we mostly remember the good ones while most of the rubbish fades away and is forgotten.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

It helps that Sir Ian McKellen is a huge teddy bear with a heart of gold and he would hug anyone that sincerely, whether he knew them or not.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I'd say most of the time it's an age thing the younger we are the easier impressed/amazed we are. growing older makes us sometimes cynical sometimes overloaded with imagery. The more you've seen the harder it gets to be impressed by stuff, cause you have seen so much. And we keep fond memories of the things we liked as kids and teenagers.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Good acting.

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