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Apple has complied with the Chinese government's request to remove several popular communication apps from its app store, including WhatsApp, Threads, Signal, and Telegram, due to national security concerns. This action was taken following a directive from the Cyberspace Administration of China. These apps have been crucial for political dissidents globally, especially in China where political expression is heavily regulated. Despite previous reliance on VPNs to access these platforms, they are now unavailable for download in China through the official app store. This move by Apple comes amidst increasing tensions between the U.S. and China in the realm of consumer technology, with discussions in the U.S. Senate about the future of TikTok, a popular social media app owned by a Chinese parent company

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You know with Android, you can just sideload any app you want. Still not sure why anyone buys Apple products, but hey at least you get different colored chat bubbles!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

on IOS we can do that as well with trollstore and signalous/maplesign

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Aka if you void your warranty and crack your phone OS - something that Apple fights at every turn. If you run your phone in unsafe and unfriendly ways then you can do something Android supports natively by default.

See! They're totally the same guys! Buy iPhones 🤡

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

🙄 sideloading alt store at least does not void your warranty.

Software in general won’t void your hardware warranty. That’s ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Those work on untouched iPhones. But you need to resign the apps every 7 days. (Which can be done automatically via the programs that person mentions)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

with trollstore and signalous/maplesign you don't need to resign anymore. it is just normal phone without jailbreak same like Android

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

that doesnt work on newer devices

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

wdym? I use those signing service without jailbreak, no weekly signing and everything works flawlessly like regular smartphone

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

trollstore doesn't work on every device and sigbalous and maplesign are payed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@Stillhart yea, you can, but that means trusting the third party providing the apk. Besides that, China also has a big power over the internet. They could outright block the apps from working altogether only by cutting the connection. Especially with Threads and WhatsApp where you cannot choose any proxy within the app.

In fact, I think they already did it.

@Sgn

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if self hosted fediverse stuff could gain a bit of traction 🤷

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

@TheMonkeyLord in China you mean? Well, if CCP would find a way to control it, then yes.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The ability to sideload apps looking real important right about now

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Sideload apps only work in the EU. Or does it work in China too?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

It works everywhere on the other phone OS 😉

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

it is possible for sideload ipa with trollstore/maplesign/signulous

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

No, only EU

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A more correct headline could also be read as: "China pulls WhatsApp, Threads and Signal from app store from Apple." I know technically Apple pulled them away, but logically it was China. Apple had no other choice. If Apple didn't do it, then their devices would be kicked out of China entirely. And that's something China could do, especially because its a closed garden American company and tech, where they cannot break into.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

They had to. You don’t fuck with China. Whatever they say goes. But yeah, “China forces distributors to pull…” just doesn’t have that incendiary clickbait ring to it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I'm guessing that the US is gonna do the TikTok ban too, then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splinternet

The splinternet (also referred to as cyber-balkanization or internet balkanization) is a characterization of the Internet as splintering and dividing due to various factors, such as technology, commerce, politics, nationalism, religion, and divergent national interests. "Powerful forces are threatening to balkanise it", wrote the Economist weekly in 2010, arguing it could soon splinter along geographic and commercial boundaries. 

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

I'm not sure how much the tiktok ban will be balkanization so much as just the death of the product. It's popular in the EU but not nearly to the extent as the US market.

No idea who would step into tiktok's shoes in the advent of a ban. Hopefully not any of the big players - their offerings all blow compared to TT.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

🤖 I'm a bot that provides automatic summaries for articles:

Click here to see the summaryApple has removed several widely used communications platforms from its app store in China at the Chinese government’s demand, amid anger in Beijing over efforts in Washington that could result in a TikTok ban in the United States.

The iPhone maker confirmed Friday that the Cyberspace Administration of China, the country’s internet regulator, ordered the removal of the apps citing national security concerns.

The incident comes as the U.S. government attempts to reduce the use of China-made technologies in the United States, citing security reasons — efforts that may provoke financial costs to U.S. companies, as Beijing launches tit-for-tat crackdowns.

With four times as many consumers as the United States, China is one of the largest sources of revenue for many U.S. tech companies, including Apple.

Signal and WhatsApp both feature end-to-end encryption, which prevents communications companies or government censors from reading messages unless they have access to the user’s device.

China’s government firewall already blocked access to WhatsApp, although users could use the app with the help of virtual private networks, or VPNs.


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