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No one really knows how things will play out but I was wondering if people are committed to Lemmy, or would the mod team migrate to greener pastures if a better, more functional alternative comes to the forefront.

I'm hoping Lemmy can improve but I personally don't love using it. Its still early days though so that might change. There are a couple promising alternatives in development right now but since they aren't out, everyone is migrating to lemmy.

As someone with a disability, the UI/UX is problematic and makes me physically ill after using it for a short period of time.

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[–] [email protected] 134 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I'm committed to ActivityPub. I don't really care if the specific server backend ends up being lemmy, kbin, or something new.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eh. I was on Mastodon for a few days then left. Turns out I don't care to follow specific people. So it's a bit more than the protocol I will chase. The type of interaction also matters a lot.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well yea, that’s not a knock against Mast, that’s a preference for a type of social media. Mast is the Twitter equivalent; if you don’t like Mast, you would t like Twitter (or vice versa as it were).

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think the point of Twitter is to follow famous people. Since there are very few famous people on Mastodon it makes it less useful. They need celebrities and media platforms to make the switch. That's not really a problem for a link aggregator like Lemmy. I think this site has a bright future.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 year ago

A lot of people switched to lemmy recently, so the development focus is on scaling for now. It'll probably take a while until that's sorted out properly and the devs can focus on accessibility.

I think lemmy is a good place for this community because we don't need to worry about big platforms overmoderating.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Looking at other fedi apps like Mastodon, accessibility and UI/UX will soon follow. Which is promising.

But yes, it's the early days of Lemmy and maybe even the fediverse. So we'll see what the future brings ;)

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I started on Mastodon last year and watching it increase in size by orders of magnitude over the last several months has been a beautiful thing to watch. I am thrilled Lemmy has taken off, finally. The fediverse has restored my faith in humanity quite a bit and consuming it feels healthier, there is no way I am going back to centralised platforms. Come to mastodon and get a glimpse at what Lemmy may become. :)

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Was talking to my non-techie wife yesterday and she asked what I was working on. I said "replacing reddit." I explained the reddit situation and then we talked about alternative social networking and I was shocked she knew what Mastodon was AND said a lot of people were moving there!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Welcome the normies, we need them too. :)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

it DOES feel healthier, doesn't it? since starting here yesterday, i have been retraining my hand to not click on reddit. but honestly, i don't even want to.

i am willing to commit to lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No apollo app no reddit. I agree the UI/UX is problematic but the native reddit ad filled app is way worse. Lemmy both has lots of room to still improve the experience but its build well enough already to actually function and people to be here.

Its also open source, decentralized, possible to self host. Aka owned by the people rather then corpos. All those things for the new homepage of the internet? I can only get so errect.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Memmy is starting to look like it could be an Apollo for Lemmy soon.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am committed to federated services from here on out. I am personally really liking lemmy... There are some minor annoyances but nothing major. The mobile browsing experiences makes me pretty cozy. With the dark theme it's not too far from rif. Apps and plugins are coming that will make it that next special thing. Like I couldn't imagine aliensite without old and res. It's coming... I'm loving it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m a week into having setup my own personal instance and LOVING Lemmy. The community, the software stack, federation, all of it. I don’t visit reddit daily anymore (15 year old reddit account to be deleted this week once 3rd party apps get shut down).

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I like to remember how ugly and difficult it was to adjust to Reddit after moving from Digg's slick 2.0 interface. I think Lemmy will face more growing pains but will be the best solution in the end.

Reddit has literally never had a good UI/UX. It was worth it because it was the best alternative at the time.

That said, my requirements for a reddit alternative would have to be decentralized and open source. I just couldn't get into another situation like this one and I won't support it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm hoping some of the 3rd party talent that Reddit threw away will contribute and help refine the Lemmy experience.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Come on, give it some time. It's coming a long way, and devs are working their ass off to deliver some quality updates.

Also, there are a dozen apps in the works for iOS and Android that are to be released soon, if that's not already the case. So you should have more choice to pick a better experience browsing lemmy in the coming days.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

I am more than willing to wait for Lemmy to grow to see where it heads since it's only been a thing since 2019.

Despite it having its fair share of problems, I am more than willing to put up with this for now since we're still scratching the surface on the potential of a decentralized social media becoming a little more mainstream.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm obviously very committed. But I understand the frustration. However be a bit patient, the interest in the Software is just beggining and it has a completely open API. Great frontends will be developed very shortly

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

As a user of old.reddit I really don't even find this interface to be much different. It really seems to be similar. Some of the issues I see as confusing comes to the federation specific things. As someone new to federation but from a technical background even I am finding that aspect confusing. So I imagine for people less tech savvy it would be an even harder learning curve. The idea of going to a completely separate domain, but being able to still subscribe to their community via the dbzer0 account is a totally different kind of concept and the UI can make it a bit complicated.

But overall using one specific instance feels very similar to the old.reddit UI if not slightly nicer in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not necessarily committed to Lemmy, but I am fairly committed to a fediverse Reddit-like app. And Lemmy is the one I've liked the most. The nice thing is, if something comes along that you prefer, you could switch to that and we'd still be able to interact.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been a redditor for more than 16 years. Due the the recent events, I've been through my comments/submission history, noticing how much more active I was in the beginning. For the past, I don't know, 5 or more years, I've been just lurking less and less, to the point that when it came to delete my content and account, I didn't even have any regrets. Just did it, and that was it.

Now comes the fediverse. Here I am, commenting again, actively checking what's happening here with a renewed enthusiasm. So yes, I'm excited for it being FOSS, federated, decentralized. By the people, for the people. Yay!

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

A piracy forum needs to be decentralised and based on FOSS software to be able to have quality content, we are not advertisement friendly lol.

Lemmy is the best option.

If not Lemmy then maybe a discourse forum but that would be even worse for mobile users.

Lemmy will only get better from now on, but tbh I prefer its UI over other alternatives official app.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

I'm committed to open source (or at the very least indie dev) more than to a single platform.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will switch if something better comes along that is decentralized.

The profit motive poisons everything and turns it to shit. I won't join a social again if it can be purchased to turn me into another metric on a spreadsheet for someone to sell.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

IMO, the solution is not to switch to something better, but to communicate to the developers on how to make the UI/UX better

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

I'd think that we're here for the quality of our experience and not for loyalty to a specific platform. Lemmy has some great advantages, especially for those of us fresh from Reddit who are sick and tired of corporate shennanigans and enshitification.

There's lemmy politics which seems about disagreements that may or may not lead to defederating. But this isn't for me a dealbreaker, and Reddit corporate made it super clear that it was on the side of the conservatives even if it found their hate speech brand-unsafe. My kind were not liked, and we could expect spittle in our drinks now and again.

So what would woo me away from Lemmy? Only if I found subs of my interests that I couldn't find here, and then I'd haunt both platforms.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

We're just getting started. Sync for Lemmy and Memmy's (heavily inspired by Apollo) release in a few weeks will go a long way for accessibility, and will likely already offer better UX than reddit.

No doubt contributors in the GitHub will add similar UX features as those fantastic apps once they're out.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

Lemmy? Not specifically committed to Lemmy forever, but I very much see myself using it as my top Social Media 2-3 years from now.

I’m really invested that Lemmy (and the Fediverse in general) is only going to get more awesome.

I’m just the past few weeks we’ve seen growth in not only the infrastructure, apps, and features of Lemmy, but there’s really great conversations happening around how the community is growing and possible threats to the system from big corps.

I think the Fediverse is a great place and is a great future of “Social Media”.

Even if no one else joins Fedi, I think we have enough entertaining content and news to sustain me for a long time. More people will join, though. Things will keep getting better, but it will take time.

Fuck Reddit, Fuck Twitter, Fuck FAANG. I hope distributed is the future.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I really like the idea. There one major issue that I see currently, and that is discoverability. It takes some real effort and time to explore things outside of your own instance. I think the federation of pre-federation content will be important for discoverability, since the foundation of a community is in it's ranking of posts, which takes time and interaction. Right now, votes, comments, and most posts pre-federation on another instance are just not reachable.

I believe this problem can be solved, and there are a lot of motivated developers here, so I'm all in on lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Personally I will try to be active in contributing to ideas for lemmy improvement. If you are having a problem in the UI/UX part of lemmy. Then is is a good idea to let your voice be heard and suggest some QOL improvements. That way the devs have more options to look at when considering some UI/UX alterations.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am pretty committed. I even volunteered to help with devops stuff with my country's instance to make it a better experience for the local community. I actually wished more communities move here.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

if its not lemmy it should at least be ActivityPub compliant so users can make the decision how to follow, participate

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What alternatives?

Maybe ask this question again if there actually is something better. But i'd agree. The UI should be accessible for people with disability. But maybe we need to work on lemmy and make that possible instead of waiting for something else to come along.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm really into the Fediverse, so it would have to be another Fediverse software.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I think the thing there is if it's federated it'll probably end up federating with lemmy anyway

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'd assume people move when something better comes around.
But "better, more functional" is a relative term. Not sure that many here would be willing to forgo federation, and thus the independence from corporations, which especially don't like piracy.

Btw, have you specifically told people what about the UI/UX you find problematic, so that it could be improved?
And has kbin the same issue for you (as it federates as well, you can travel this community through kbin just fine)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I‘m committed to decentralized social media, so for now that’s this and kbin yeah.

I hope though that eventually a better UI in some app can help with your disability, being physically ill doesn‘t sound like a good time at all.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The nice thing about the fediverse is that if you find something else federated that you like, then you can just use it. You move to the new instance running the software you actually like, and resubscribe to the communities you like on the original instances.

There's already kbin as an alternative (the largest instance of that is at https://kbin.social/), I believe you can subscribe to lemmy and kbin communities using friendica, and I can already see a lot of other options coming down the pipe.

OTOH, I've been here for years. I chose to go all-in on the fediverse a couple years ago.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With the number of new apps coming out, hopefully somebody will come up with one that you can use without feeling physically ill. There's going to be a lot of options in a few weeks.

Have you considered writing up what exactly is problematic about the UI? Maybe it's something that can be resolved

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Why WOULDN'T we move off if something better came along?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Been here for a few years now. It's the same as always. Use a site til it turns evil/bad, then move on, someone else will take its place.

I love the idea of lemmy tho. and so far so good. But dont be married or make it personal if something turns bad online.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm hoping kbin will be more popular and improve at it gains users. I like the microblogging feature, because it 'tiers' the content we'd share, and makes different users/communities easier to discover.

But it's a very new platform, so it will be a while before it sees fruition; it also has almost all users on a single instance kbin.social; so other instances lack content (it doesn't federate as cleanly as Lemmy) and makes users over-reliant on the admins of that instance, undermining the point of federation.

Unfortunately few platforms design with accessibility in mind; they consider it a 'nice to have', not a 'need to have'. As platforms get bigger they'll gain the interest of coders that consider accessibility to be as much a 'need to have' as the rest of the front-end. After all, Reddit itself was never accessible - 3rd party devs made it so, and they will again.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I think being open to change is good. Right now, I'm committed to lemmy. There are a few wrinkles here and there, so I'm hoping those things get sorted out.

However, if it turns to shit or a much better one comes along, then I'll definitely consider moving. Individually that's easy. For a community, though, it might be challenging.

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