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I paid a lot of money for the privilege of getting an Apple Vision Pro brand-new in February. All-in, with optical inserts and taxes, I financed a little over $3,900 for the 256GB version of the headset.
Financing something like this. Holy fuck this person is an absolute moron.
That’s not a smart choice to finance. First release is almost always overpriced and going to rapidly devalue. There’s a ton of R&D overhead to cover with initial launch of a new product line. The next iteration will be less expensive, or at least have multiple models with tiered pricing.
Remember this next time you are cringing at something dumb you did in the past. You will never be as stupid as Wes Davis.
Excuse my ignorance but who is wes Davis and why is he so stupid?
He wrote the article
Wow I feel a little stupid, thanks friend.
Don't, he's much more stupid. Davis, that is.
Lol no I get it from the way I said that it probably sounded like somebody famous
First release aside the vast majority of electronics depreciate steeply . Financing it in a time of high interest rates is... ridiculous.
Apple almost never lowers prices, they give the illusion of giving you more the next refresh round.
Eh, Apple offers essentially zero cost financing.
If you actually have the cash and budget for this, it’s better to invest that $4k.
Why? I financed an AVP too and use it extensively for my business. Maybe they’re doing the same? Especially with the Apple Card, it’s 0% interest. Why wouldn’t you do that instead of paying for the whole thing outright? Anyone who paid for the whole thing outright seems like a moron to me.
How do you use it at work? Do you think it has paid for itself? Does it enable anything that was impossible before?
How do you use it at work?
You get to write off your masterbation aid as a business expense. Is that not what everyone does?
It’d be even better if they let you work from home.
I use it at work to both film and preview Spatial Video while we’re capturing footage. I don’t think it has paid for itself yet (although I could make the argument that having a 4K 3D TV on the go is worth it too for when I’m not working) but I can see that point rapidly approaching. It definitely enables things that weren’t possible before and, for whatever reason, my brain works better with the concept of spatial computing and being able to separate what I’m doing by actual physical location with the added ability that I can prioritize and position what I’m working on in 3D space. I attempted this before with the Quest and even with the Valve Index and various virtual desktop tools but none work as well as the AVP combined with my MacBook and the iPhones we use.
Genuinely curious what business case exists for the vision pro that couldn't be handled by a modern iPhone (for AR) or laptop (for getting real work done)
Tech review companies.
quite honestly:
any type of work which requires multiple Monitors.
Unless you're doing graphical work where you need absolute high-end monitors (that cost multiple times the AVP), the Display of the AVP is probably good enough.
And Virtual Desktop Software is slowly getting better.
Why not just get multiple monitors.
Price. The AVP can be multiple monitors in one.
How many monitors?
And how much do you think monitors cost? Spoiler: They are very cheap compared to the Vision Pro
yeah, but if you are like me (4k TV for a Monitor, looking to upgrade to a Beamer) it can actually make sense.
If MacOS wasn't giving me endless headaches i would probably actually buy one just for that.
Well, my business case is pretty specific but, to answer your question directly, it’s not meant as a replacement for either of those things. I use it in conjunction with my laptop and several iPhones. We film everything in Spatial Video so that we have LIDAR/depth info for the project we’re working on. The Vision Pro lets me record and preview the video immediately.
Outside of that, I use the screen mirroring on my MacBook pretty religiously and I love being able to have my various workspaces all around me. For whatever reason, my mind works better when I can separate things spatially and have certain apps open in one room. I’m a pacer so I like to think about what I’m doing while pacing and looking using the Vision Pro and then, when I’m ready, I sit down at my desk, mirror the display, and finish what I’m working on.
It’s really cool. It’s definitely the worst version of the product it’s ever going to be so the amount of use I get out of it right now just makes me more excited for what’s to come in the future. As long as I’m getting use out of it now, though, I see no issues with the cost because it’s literally something I can’t do with any other device (and I own all the other VR headsets, including the Quest and Index).
I wish I had a trust fund.
Me too. Sucks that I don’t.
$2500-3500-ish, versus $3500-5k new. Steeper discounts on fully optioned models.
Saved you a click. Looks to me like deprecation is not all that dissimilar to that of optioned out Macbooks.
Aren't these things tied to an Apple ID with personalised setup? Can you even factory reset these things and walk into the Apple store to get it set up again?
Hopefully, of the many things Apple learns from the Vision Pro Gen 1 is that building a massively over-engineered Rolls Royce MR face-computer is that they’ve finally hit a wall with both their bonkers product pricing scheme and their magical thinking about their internal product visions always seamlessly translating to widespread consumer reality. I mean, especially on the latter point, they’ve been falling flat for a few years, but mostly with smaller products and services, but now it’s happened with the launch of a major new product class— and it has failed spectacularly.
Don’t get me wrong: the Vision Pro is revolutionary wrt what it can become, but Apple released a product that was way too fucking expensive and which didn’t have the ecosystem of support functions to make it clear to everyone even what it’s for. It’s not an MR/AR/VR headset. It’s a FACE-COMPUTER which operates in MR only, and very few people can really wrap their heads around using a computer only that way, especially since even Apple hasn’t made it work that way very well or even made a case for why it should (outside of extreme edge cases)— yet.
This is future tech for a future when we’re ready for and need it. Right now, people just want an MR peripheral, not a whole ass FaceMac. And - for goddamn sure - nobody wants to pay for one.
Man, you’re spot on with that last phrase, at least, for me. All I want is a MR headset comfortable enough to wear all day, and to be able to manage virtual windows and/or monitors comfortably in front of me. The rest I genuinely don’t care about. I dream of the day I can replace my big monitor (or multi-monitor setup) with a lightweight pair of fancy goggles that would give me all the monitor real estate I would ever want.
It also has a number of core problems as a face computer.
As Casey Neistat's review video showed: you can't use the thing on transit or even walking down the street. Any open windows stay in the physical location you opened them.
Man, I better not have to walk home from the train station because I forgot I left my “PRIVATE STUFF - DO NOT OPEN” folder on couch.
The one I remember is he sat down on the subway, opened up a video, and the video stayed at the station when the train pulled away.
So you put it into travel mode and then they don’t do that…
I can see both setups being necessary… If im sitting in a chair, I don’t think I’d want my virtual monitors to be following my head while I move, I’d still want them to be roughly around my keyboard and mouse. But using it while walking, they absolutely should be floating around my head, keeping the main one at some fixed angle.
Generally speaking, Apple’s very good about “hitting the now” with new tech, but they really missed the mark with this one. This tech is just too far ahead of its time. This is a real General Magic moment.
Exactly. Not only is it too expensive, but it doesn't have a "universal" killer app or use case. What I mean by that is something a lot of people could use it for.
There are quite a few use cases for the device, but many of them are edge cases. For example I think the Keynote (Apple's PowerPoint) virtual presentation mode is a great way to practice a presentation (you stand in a large room with the presentation behind you on a canvas and an audience in front of you), but how often are most people going to need it?
I personally loved the F1 demo one guy made with a 3D track map with the option to glimpse at onboards an whatnot. But how large of an audience would that have outside of hardcore F1 fans? Still, immersive live sports would probably be a thing, but without a large user base the broadcasters won't bother making an elaborate (and costly) stream with added features exclusive to Vision Pro.
I'm not sure if Apple can fix this by "simply" releasing a second generation model, even if it somehow came at just half the price.
Meanwhile at Apple:
You’re factually wrong about several things in what you wrote but, more generally, I think you’re very wrong on what it is, what it can become, and why it should exist. You can’t say that it’s failed spectacularly unless you know what the goals and targets were so I think it’s silly to even try to make that point, much less without anything to support that kind of assertion.
Even the absolutes in which you speak are wrong. I paid for one and am happy I did. I plan to buy more of them as our usage expands and it will pay for itself before the end of the quarter. If it gets better than this with successive versions, that could be considered a major success. I think everyone can agree it’s a niche product right now but to say that nobody wants to pay for one and that it has failed is just nonsensical.
"These comments remind me of the folks who thought the original iPod didn't stand a chance..."
Just going to leave this here:
Seems like it's still very overpriced.