What is Conservative about honoring traitors to the country?
this post was submitted on 11 May 2024
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You meant to say slavers, right? The founding fathers were traitors to the crown, its not strictly a bad thing
They were traitors. Do you think fighting against your country for the right to own slaves is more conservative than being a traitor for other reasons?
The slavery is the bad bit here.
They weren’t fighting their own country. Do you understand what secession is? The democrats left the Union and started a new country. Do you think California wanting to leave makes the state a traitor ?
At least one founding father thought a little rebellion was a good thing. I’m not a fan of the confederacy. It was democrats doing what democrats do but if you can’t leave the union, then we are not a democracy as tha left claims.
That board member, Gloria Carlineo, said during the six-hour meeting that began Thursday night that opponents of the Confederate names should “stop bringing racism and prejudice into everything”
Abraham Lincoln: "Owning black people is racist"
Stonewall Jackson: "Why do you need to bring race into everything?"
How can anyone talk about the Confederacy and not talk about racism? It was the entire point of the Confederacy!
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In Virginia, local governments had been banned from removing Confederate memorials and statues until the law was changed in 2020, though the statute did not apply to school names.
Beth Ogle, a longtime resident with children in the school system, said restoring the Confederate names is “a statement to the world that you do not value the dignity and respect of your minority students, faculty and staff.”
“Stonewall” Jackson was a Confederate general from Virginia who gained fame at the First Battle of Bull Run near Manassas in 1861 and died in 1863 after he was shot and had his arm amputated.
Shenandoah County, a largely rural jurisdiction with a population of about 45,000, roughly 100 miles west of the nation’s capital, has long been politically conservative.
Maizlish, from the Southern Poverty Law Center, said it’s unusual, though not unprecedented, that conservative jurisdictions like Shenandoah removed Confederate names in the first place.
She said that while there’s no evidence other jurisdictions have restored Confederate names or monuments, she is “always concerned about people who work to continue to promote Lost Cause propaganda.”
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This is a tough one for me. To me what’s important is when they were named. In the 1960’s it was common to name things after confederate generals due to the civil rights movement. The democrats wanted to name everything after confederates.
Things or statues from the late 1800 to early 1900 I have less of an issue with. Those were to honor the past and supported by all.
The intent is what’s important to me.
As a veteran of the Army, I disliked that many of bases were named after shitty generals.
To me what’s important is when they were named.
In this case it's May 2024. Mountain View High School had its name changed to Stonewall Jackson High School and Honey Run Elementary was changed to Ashby Lee Elementary in May of 2024.
That’s just people protesting the recent changes. I suspect these were names in the 1960’s. That’s the common theme. As such I have no issue with them being renamed.
That said I don’t live there and people have a right to govern themselves. I think this is just an anti “woke” thing but unless the school was honoring the confederate, which they rarely are, they shouldn’t have been named in the first place.
As an army veteran, I have always found the naming of military facilities for shitty racist losers to be blatant pandering and a poor consolation prize to the wounded sensibilities of 'the lost cause' etc
There was nothing noble about any of that shit, it was 100% about slavery and to be fair, more or less the entire country had been implicitly or explicitly involved in the practice from colonial times.
So perhaps the consolation prizes and TYFYS-ism of it all was warranted for a period. But that period is well over by now.